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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 6117943" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Not one of them fixed their problems with Marxism.  The two most successful of that group have allowed capitalism to flourish.  China has had great success at the start but then the state started meddling.  They are on the brink of collapse.  Those are the four still existing.  But what about all the previous communist countries?  How many of them were known for their freedom?  None.  That's why they collapsed and are capitalist today.  They may not be as capitalistic as the U.S., may have some socialist leanings, but they have rejected communism/Marxism and most have joined NATO to make sure it doesn't happen again.  You're trying to convince people to try something they've already experienced and rejected.</p></blockquote><p></p>