Israeli Invasion

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by big_arrow_up, Jan 4, 2009.


Was the Israeli invasion the right thing to do?

Poll closed Jan 6, 2009.
  1. Yes: Any other country would have responded the same way

    22 vote(s)
  2. No: Should have exhausted all political options first

    6 vote(s)
  1. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Did Israel do the right thing by invading The Gaza Strip? I do. Israel puts up with more crap than most other countries in their situation would.
  2. DownsizedUPS'er

    DownsizedUPS'er missing my UPS family

    i agree. Israel puts up with a lot. they should have envaded sooner. when that first missel was launched over at them, the sease fire was over in my eyes. Israel has given up much. They have played nice while the suicide bumbers continued.

    Where were the protesters when the missels were being fired at Israel? What kind of twisted people think that Israel should not defend themselves? (I am reffering to the people in other countries burning our flag and the Israeli flag in protest.) this makes no sense to me. Who would not defend themselves in this situation?

    When Israeli soldiers kill a civilian in an act of war, they mour the loss. When then enemy sends their own children in, with the mission of killing civilians, they rejoice. Where is the logic?

    Thank you for this poll. Great question.
  3. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    What ticks me off is the people here in the States that are protesting against Israel. Kind of worries me.
  4. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Kill 'Em All
  5. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    We used to have a local Congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney, who is one of these people. She was on a yacht the other day delivering "relief supplies" that ran a blockade and was rammed by an Isreali Navy boat. Thankfully, she finally got voted out of office here. She was one of those conspiracy nuts that thinks Bush bombed the World Trade Center, among a lot of other ridiculous things. Last I heard, she was in California running for President under the Green Party. She can stay there as far as I'm concerned.
  6. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    My question is this: Did they (Israel) really have any polictical options?

    I don't think they did and have been pushed into a corner (for years). Just like any cornered animal they came out fighting.
    The one thing they have in their favor is the fact that they fight like no one else in this world. They have had no choice but to learn the art of war.
  7. DownsizedUPS'er

    DownsizedUPS'er missing my UPS family

    yes, here in the states as well. it goes beyond understanding how people here in the US can condemn the Israelies. people have a right to defend themselves. Israel has never thrown the first punch. Israel has kept to the peace treaties. All the while missels still being thrown at them. And neer does Israel aim at attacking women and children, and Israel mourns those losses while Iraq aims for the innocent and rejoices in thier deaths. They send their own children in with bombs taped to them for the suicide bombings. They take money from their government for this to happen. Is that a civilized nation? I think not. Israel is within their right to protect themselves from the people that want to wipe "them off the map"
  8. DownsizedUPS'er

    DownsizedUPS'er missing my UPS family

    i would love for the person who voted "no" to have left a post. something to explain their opinion. but they took the cowardly way out.if you have an opinion or conviction, stand by it.
  9. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Obscured by Mirrors Staff Member

    Normally TOS does leave a post...I don't know why he did not this time! :wink2:
  10. DownsizedUPS'er

    DownsizedUPS'er missing my UPS family

    how can you tell who it was that voted a certain way. one way or the other, the poll doesnt tell who it was that voted. or, are you being a "hoaxter" by saying it was TOS? scratching head in wonderment.
  11. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Obscured by Mirrors Staff Member

    Probably the same people that protested against Bush.

    What I find amusing is all the left-wing anti-war Jewish leaders (Bill Nigut) are now saying that Israel is justified. Funny how a person can rationalize two similar actions and have totally different reactions.

    Life is amusing if you take the time to see it. :funny:
  12. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    When you set up a poll you can set the parameters to include showing who voted for what.
    I'm sure Hoax was playing 'tongue -in-cheek' based on TOS's previous posts. I'm sure he is probably right.
  13. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    It WOULD be nice if the nay-sayers would explain what political options Israel had.
  14. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Obscured by Mirrors Staff Member

    Hoaxster...meant to amuse, not to befuddle. :funny:
  15. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    I am wholly behind Isreal defending herself. In fact, I admire the way they have responded to the missile attacks.
  16. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    The real problem is that the Israeli's did not respond with enough force yet again. It seems they are doomed to repeat their mistakes. They have the ability to push the entire Gaza strip into the ocean and yet they show in my opinion far to much restraint in not using more force to get the job done properly.
  17. DownsizedUPS'er

    DownsizedUPS'er missing my UPS family

    Israel, unlike the ones they are fighting, do not want to hurt, injure or kill civilians. this is why they have not gone full force yet. their enemy hide among the innocent, the women and children. real heros huh??????
  18. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    I don't understand why hasn't the mighty O demanded that everyone stop fighting & start hugging .
    Wasn't he elected because he would bring world peace ?
  19. JimJimmyJames

    JimJimmyJames Big Time Feeder Driver

    I'll let Pat speak for me:

    Bush, Obama and the Gaza blitz

    By Pat Buchanan

    Unwilling to control its fighters, who fired scores of missiles into Israel at the end of their six-month cease-fire, Hamas gave Israel the provocation it needed to deliver a savage blow to the Palestinian enclave in Gaza.
    Saturday was the bloodiest day in the history of the Palestinian people since being driven from their homes in the War of 1948. One thousand were killed or wounded, as the Israeli Air Force conducted over a hundred strikes – on graduation ceremonies for Hamas fighters, police stations and storage sites for rockets.
    About Israel's right and duty to defend its border towns, there is no dispute. When Hamas permits Gaza to be used as a launch pad for rockets, it must expect retaliation. Nor can Hamas claim some right to dictate the limits of that retaliation.
    Yet the wisdom of so savage a retribution for rockets that killed not one Israeli is open to question. And crass Israeli politics seems to be behind this premeditated and planned blitz.
    With Likud's hawkish "Bibi" Netanyahu ahead in the polls for the Feb. 10 election, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Labor's candidate, had to show that he, too, could be ruthless with Hamas.
    Kadima Party candidate and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni has an even greater need than the highly decorated Barak to show toughness. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, departing in scandal, wants to exit in a blaze of glory, to blot out the memory of a botched war against Hezbollah that he launched in the summer of 2006.
    However, while Israel's politicians all seem to have a stake in these devastating strikes, Israel herself will pay the price.
    Given the casualty toll, over 300 dead and 1,300 wounded as of this writing, Hamas will have to exact its pound of flesh. The Hamas wing that seeks renewed war with Israel will now shout into silence the wing working with Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak on a new cease-fire.
    The moderate Palestinian Mahmoud Abbas, who has been talking to Israel, testifying to her good faith, has been made to appear the puppet and fool. A new intifada spreading to the West Bank, with suicide attacks inside Israel, is now possible.
    Moderate Arabs, who have recognized Israel or backed peace, will now be seen by the Arab street as appeasers impotent to stop the public suffering of the Palestinian people.
    As for President Bush's hopes of midwifing a peace that would create a Palestinian state, they are as dead as the Annapolis process he set in train. In advancing peace in the Middle East, Bush's eight-year record is now a near-absolute failure.
    For four years, Bush refused to talk to Yasser Arafat, though Bill Clinton had negotiated with him, as had four Israeli prime ministers, two of who shared a Nobel Prize with Arafat. In his second term, Bush, after insisting Hamas be included in free elections in Palestine, refused to recognize Hamas when it won those elections.
    Arafat was a terrorist and Hamas is a terrorist organization, declared Bush, and we don't negotiate with terrorists. Yet, Bush de-listed Libya as a state sponsor of terror and sent Condi Rice to chat up Col. Gadhafi, though Gadhafi still has on his hands the blood of scores of American school kids from the Lockerbie massacre of 1989 that Libya and Gadhafi engineered.
    For eight years, like the "dummy" in a hand of bridge, Bush has sat mute as his Israeli partner, Sharon or Olmert, played America's cards as well as their own. The Bush response to Saturday's carnage, as anticipated, was to blame Hamas for causing it and urge Israelis to be careful about civilian casualties as they go about their reprisals.
    Whatever Israel decides, we support. For eight years that has been the most reliable guide to U.S. Middle East policy.
    And Barack Obama? Forty-eight hours after the Israeli blitz began, he and his national security team remain silent.
    Hopefully, Obama will bring with him a new Mideast policy, one made in the USA, for the USA. Hopefully, just as Israel has its private links to Syria through Turkey, to Hamas through Egypt and to Hezbollah, Obama will establish independent U.S. channels to all three, and adopt a separate U.S. policy toward all three, as Israel does.
    While the United States must support Israel's right to defend her towns and to strike bases from which Israelis are being attacked, Obama should denounce the collective punishment of 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza, by Israel's cutting off their electricity in the dead of winter and denying them the food and medicine many need to survive.
    For us to remain silent in the face of this comports neither with our interests or our values. Israel's policy of withholding from the weak and innocent of Gaza, women and children, the necessities of life, to punish the guilty who rule at the point of a gun, is a policy that Obama should declare the United States will no longer support with tax dollars.
  20. DownsizedUPS'er

    DownsizedUPS'er missing my UPS family

    QassamCount on Jan 4, 2009: Hamas fires 50 rockets from Gaza into Israel, hitting 4 cities and 3 communities.

    Qassams are rockets filled with explosives and shrapnel intended to kill Israeli civilians.

    Most of the world does not understand the reasons for Israel's operation in Gaza. People need to understand that Qassams are not fireworks, they destroy, hurt, and kill.

    These are fired everyday at Israel. And, while under a cease fire. The people of Israel have a right to defend themselves, and their country.