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Just curious... how irreplaceable do you think we are here, in case of a strike??
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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 1019663" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>bmwmc;</p><p></p><p>1. My point was that the union WOULD maintain a national strike...but that doesn't mean that the company has to react nationally and/or instantaneously. Replacements - including pilots (by way of example, you might take a look at web sites like the "Airline Pilots Central Forum" to review the possibilities there) - could be hired incrementally, area by area. I.e. - there's no law that say UPS has replace everybody all at once. Look at how new regions and/or countries have been brought into the system. Do you think they were all brought online overnight?</p><p></p><p>2. In terms of cash flow, I'm not forgetting that prospect at all. Again, revenue may not be reduced RELATIVELY all that much...and profit (proportionately, at least) might be reduced even less. And, from the perspective of "cash flow", I suspect UPS is in a lot better "cash flow" position than the union, or the vast majority of the unions members it employees. Look at what UPS paid to withdraw from Central States. If it was able to maintain foreign operations, that same amount could finance the company for a year easily. And, if it involved the prospect of "breaking" the Teamsters, I think the company could line up parties willing to finance such a proposition rather easily; in fact, they might be standing in line for that purpose. Meanwhile, would Teamsters stay out that long? Or, more to the point COULD they stay out that long? How about the one-third or so domestic employees who are not actual Teamster members? Would they stay out that long as well? I suggest you currently look at places like American Crystal Sugar or in the past (and closer to home in terms of the Teamsters) Diamond Walnut to see what COULD happen (again, I'm NOT saying it "will" happen!) </p><p></p><p>3. "Yes", I have seen FedEx ground drivers. For all your claims that a "UPS driver do[sic] the work of of 3 FEDEX employees...", the truth is that they achieving revenue and profit margins with employee numbers that belie such claims. As for "want[ing] that model", has it ever dawned on anybody that, if offered the opportunity to PERMANENTLY replace their Teamster brethren, FedEx drivers - both "Ground" AND "Express" - might be willing to jump ship for what UPS offers? Would that change things overnight? No....probably not; but it sure would be a consideration, particularly for those on the line who are farther down the seniority list who would be watching their jobs disappear.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, you may be right about UPS being "more afraid of a strike than the Teamsters". Personally, I don't see it. If anything, the Teamsters are more dependent on UPS today than they were 15 years ago...while UPS has taken great strides toward becoming less dependent on utilizing Teamster employees. Do I think there will be a strike? No. Do I think if there is one that UPS will follow the POSSIBLE path I outlined? Truthfully, "no"....but I do see it as a POSSIBLE ultimate option. And I would think that, for union members to not view it that way, would be very short-sighted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 1019663, member: 16651"] bmwmc; 1. My point was that the union WOULD maintain a national strike...but that doesn't mean that the company has to react nationally and/or instantaneously. Replacements - including pilots (by way of example, you might take a look at web sites like the "Airline Pilots Central Forum" to review the possibilities there) - could be hired incrementally, area by area. I.e. - there's no law that say UPS has replace everybody all at once. Look at how new regions and/or countries have been brought into the system. Do you think they were all brought online overnight? 2. In terms of cash flow, I'm not forgetting that prospect at all. Again, revenue may not be reduced RELATIVELY all that much...and profit (proportionately, at least) might be reduced even less. And, from the perspective of "cash flow", I suspect UPS is in a lot better "cash flow" position than the union, or the vast majority of the unions members it employees. Look at what UPS paid to withdraw from Central States. If it was able to maintain foreign operations, that same amount could finance the company for a year easily. And, if it involved the prospect of "breaking" the Teamsters, I think the company could line up parties willing to finance such a proposition rather easily; in fact, they might be standing in line for that purpose. Meanwhile, would Teamsters stay out that long? Or, more to the point COULD they stay out that long? How about the one-third or so domestic employees who are not actual Teamster members? Would they stay out that long as well? I suggest you currently look at places like American Crystal Sugar or in the past (and closer to home in terms of the Teamsters) Diamond Walnut to see what COULD happen (again, I'm NOT saying it "will" happen!) 3. "Yes", I have seen FedEx ground drivers. For all your claims that a "UPS driver do[sic] the work of of 3 FEDEX employees...", the truth is that they achieving revenue and profit margins with employee numbers that belie such claims. As for "want[ing] that model", has it ever dawned on anybody that, if offered the opportunity to PERMANENTLY replace their Teamster brethren, FedEx drivers - both "Ground" AND "Express" - might be willing to jump ship for what UPS offers? Would that change things overnight? No....probably not; but it sure would be a consideration, particularly for those on the line who are farther down the seniority list who would be watching their jobs disappear. Lastly, you may be right about UPS being "more afraid of a strike than the Teamsters". Personally, I don't see it. If anything, the Teamsters are more dependent on UPS today than they were 15 years ago...while UPS has taken great strides toward becoming less dependent on utilizing Teamster employees. Do I think there will be a strike? No. Do I think if there is one that UPS will follow the POSSIBLE path I outlined? Truthfully, "no"....but I do see it as a POSSIBLE ultimate option. And I would think that, for union members to not view it that way, would be very short-sighted. [/QUOTE]
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