Hi, all I just joined, have been reading these forums for a few months. Our center is gearing up to start on the dreaded pas in a few weeks. We have 30 regular routes in southern Utah (no snow, mostly good weather thank goodness). I am a 20 year female driver looking forward to retirement the end of April 2009. Until pas goes in the drivers have done the preload, until a few years ago we also unloaded and loaded the trailers, did the clerk work etc. Now with a preload and pas going in all drivers including myself will no longer have a 3-4 hour preload, so we are going to have to jam 3-4 hours more work on our cars. A huge joke I know, it doesn't always fit now, but what do you do? BTW our volume was way up on Thurs and especially Friday, mostly residential, as my route right now pre-pas is 80% resis and I had Christmas stop count. We had nearly 700% to cram into 30 cars, we are only running 4 p12 and about 10p10s around 6or7p8s about 5 p7s and a few p5s. Don't know how they will get it all in the cars as they don't plan to cut routes. Our center as a whole has a high percentage of businesses as compared to residentials as it is a commericial center for a wide outlying area of so Ut and so Nv. For example we have 2 super walmarts 2 home depots 3 albetsons a large indoor mall, a large factory store strip mall as well as the other strip malls, office and professional complexes etc. Anyway because of the high commercial stops they cannot cut routes and get all of them done before closing as we don't leave the building to deliver until after 10:30 AM. I load two p8s which hold the factory outlet stores strip mall as well as another strip mall and various other businesses. One driver delivers these two cars and the stops on the second car are not delivered until after 5 or 6 pm, these are business stops. Pretty sad state of affairs, and I'm sure it will be worse with pas. Glad I only have 1 year 3 months and 24 days to go. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome.