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<blockquote data-quote="BrownArmy" data-source="post: 1822713" data-attributes="member: 18225"><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation" target="_blank">Biology and sexual orientation</a>...</p><p></p><p>"<em>Biological theories for explaining the causes of sexual orientation are more popular, and biological factors may involve a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. These factors, which may be related to the development of a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexual" target="_blank">heterosexual</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual" target="_blank">homosexual</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual" target="_blank">bisexual</a> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality" target="_blank">asexual</a> orientation, include <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene" target="_blank">genes</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation" target="_blank">prenatal hormones</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain" target="_blank">brain</a> structure.</em>"</p><p></p><p>The jury is still out, obviously. </p><p></p><p>This is how science works - we figure out what we don't know, piece by piece, until we can say with a measure of certainty that we're on the right track.</p><p></p><p>Then we go down that track, and we refine and refine, until we actually have something.</p><p></p><p>We're in the middle of this exploration vis-a-vis human sexuality.</p><p></p><p>------------------------------------</p><p></p><p>As far as gays and lesbians marrying, this is not a religious issue, IMO.</p><p></p><p>What Kim Davis was denying these homosexual couples was the equivalent of a driver's license, or a real estate license, or a permit to tear down and rebuild your porch.</p><p></p><p>Basically, a notation in the county books for a particular situation - in this case, the joining of two people for the purposes of financial and legal matters - a civil matter.</p><p></p><p>(We could have a discussion about the validity of the 'state' in these matters one way or another, but that's not what I'm talking about).</p><p></p><p>County clerks that issue marriage licenses are not performing a religious function, they're performing a civil function.</p><p></p><p>Kim Davis isn't in the business of joining two people under 'God', she's in the business of joining two people under the 'state'.</p><p></p><p>A strange battle to choose, and she seems like a strange person to pick this particular battle.</p><p></p><p>Now, Kentucky could have side-stepped this entire drama by adopting a stance similar to North Carolina, who made legal changes in their laws to ensure that anyone with a religious objection to issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples could defer - another clerk could issue the marriage license and go home feeling right with themselves and their God, and the couple could walk away with a marriage license.</p><p></p><p>That kind of 'workaround' has questionable long-term stability, but that's another conversation.</p><p></p><p>Instead, the Governor of Kentucky won't deal with the situation, Kim Davis sits in jail, and marriage licenses are being issued to same-sex couples under some cloud of potential non-validity.</p><p></p><p>Total mess, for no good reason.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownArmy, post: 1822713, member: 18225"] [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation']Biology and sexual orientation[/URL]... "[I]Biological theories for explaining the causes of sexual orientation are more popular, and biological factors may involve a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. These factors, which may be related to the development of a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexual']heterosexual[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual']homosexual[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual']bisexual[/URL] or [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality']asexual[/URL] orientation, include [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene']genes[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation']prenatal hormones[/URL], and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain']brain[/URL] structure.[/I]" The jury is still out, obviously. This is how science works - we figure out what we don't know, piece by piece, until we can say with a measure of certainty that we're on the right track. Then we go down that track, and we refine and refine, until we actually have something. We're in the middle of this exploration vis-a-vis human sexuality. ------------------------------------ As far as gays and lesbians marrying, this is not a religious issue, IMO. What Kim Davis was denying these homosexual couples was the equivalent of a driver's license, or a real estate license, or a permit to tear down and rebuild your porch. Basically, a notation in the county books for a particular situation - in this case, the joining of two people for the purposes of financial and legal matters - a civil matter. (We could have a discussion about the validity of the 'state' in these matters one way or another, but that's not what I'm talking about). County clerks that issue marriage licenses are not performing a religious function, they're performing a civil function. Kim Davis isn't in the business of joining two people under 'God', she's in the business of joining two people under the 'state'. A strange battle to choose, and she seems like a strange person to pick this particular battle. Now, Kentucky could have side-stepped this entire drama by adopting a stance similar to North Carolina, who made legal changes in their laws to ensure that anyone with a religious objection to issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples could defer - another clerk could issue the marriage license and go home feeling right with themselves and their God, and the couple could walk away with a marriage license. That kind of 'workaround' has questionable long-term stability, but that's another conversation. Instead, the Governor of Kentucky won't deal with the situation, Kim Davis sits in jail, and marriage licenses are being issued to same-sex couples under some cloud of potential non-validity. Total mess, for no good reason. [/QUOTE]
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