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<blockquote data-quote="Inthegame" data-source="post: 968655" data-attributes="member: 37112"><p>I must have hit a nerve, you're using big font...that's scary. I was responding to what you posted, not offering solutions for world peace.</p><p> </p><p>Right to work legislation is on the front burner all over the country, specifically in Republican controlled states. If you don't realise that you've escaped Earths gravity.</p><p></p><p><strong>You</strong> stated companies lie. UPS is a company, they lie. We are in agreement. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure how you leaped to CS as an example of promises broken and placed that blame solely on unions. CS is a jointly trusteed operation so at the very least it is a shared failure. CS is a massive pension plan that has lost hundreds of participating companies that failed to keep <em>their</em> promises to their employees. The trustees (both union and company) that oversee the CS plan have little to do with <em>companies</em> failing to meet their obligations. That is a condition of the market in which they operate. This failure is what has caused the funding inequities in the CS plan, not "extremely poor management practice". UPS HAS kept it's fiduciary promise to its funds and has paid their share of their unfunded liability to release themselves of further future increased liability. But what goes unnoticed is the competition UPS has placed on other companies has forced many out of business thereby causing the very same increased withdrawal liabilty.</p><p> </p><p>You don't put any money in a pension plan either because that benefit has been negotiated on your behalf by the union. To expect the Teamsters to fund a pension is illogical.</p><p></p><p>To your point of UPS fulfilling promises, do you not remember the 22.3 combo job lawsuit? Have you ever sat on a grievance panel or talked to a Business Represntative? UPS will bend every term of the agreement to it's end, often at the expense of employees.</p><p></p><p>It is my experience that companies always place profit, and any means to it, above all else; including honesty.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Inthegame, post: 968655, member: 37112"] I must have hit a nerve, you're using big font...that's scary. I was responding to what you posted, not offering solutions for world peace. Right to work legislation is on the front burner all over the country, specifically in Republican controlled states. If you don't realise that you've escaped Earths gravity. [B]You[/B] stated companies lie. UPS is a company, they lie. We are in agreement. I'm not sure how you leaped to CS as an example of promises broken and placed that blame solely on unions. CS is a jointly trusteed operation so at the very least it is a shared failure. CS is a massive pension plan that has lost hundreds of participating companies that failed to keep [I]their[/I] promises to their employees. The trustees (both union and company) that oversee the CS plan have little to do with [I]companies[/I] failing to meet their obligations. That is a condition of the market in which they operate. This failure is what has caused the funding inequities in the CS plan, not "extremely poor management practice". UPS HAS kept it's fiduciary promise to its funds and has paid their share of their unfunded liability to release themselves of further future increased liability. But what goes unnoticed is the competition UPS has placed on other companies has forced many out of business thereby causing the very same increased withdrawal liabilty. You don't put any money in a pension plan either because that benefit has been negotiated on your behalf by the union. To expect the Teamsters to fund a pension is illogical. To your point of UPS fulfilling promises, do you not remember the 22.3 combo job lawsuit? Have you ever sat on a grievance panel or talked to a Business Represntative? UPS will bend every term of the agreement to it's end, often at the expense of employees. It is my experience that companies always place profit, and any means to it, above all else; including honesty. [/QUOTE]
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