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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 934160" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I would agree and I know many christians want this but I think in a truly pure educational forum of true inquiry, especially with younger kids, it may prove far more problematic for christians than the current situation. Some cans of worms in the long run are best left not opened. </p><p></p><p>To say that the evolutionary process is just another form of faith based belief <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">is not entirely correct either.</span></a> But what happens in the context of the educational classroom when someone also wants to discuss the Sumerian creation story in the Enuma Elish that date to around 1800 BCE in written form on a stone stele? How about the written creation story of Egypt that dates from 2700 to 2200 BCE? In the context of the bible, what if someone wants to raise the issue of the documentary hypothesis in regards to how and when the bible was written? Would christians be prepared to have their children discuss the fact that in Genesis chapter 1 the creation order is literally in reverse of the creation order in Chapter 2? Or that god in one chapter is called by the name of the Canaanite chief diety (El) while in the other story god was called by the name Yahweh.</p><p></p><p>On the one hand I can understand christians wanting the creation story to be held as true because to be honest, if there is no creation story, there is no fall of man, no original sin, so sinful nature of man and therefore man is not sinful and therefore in no need of an salvation so in that context I can understand the huge importance the creation story is to the faith itself. However, I do think christians fail to consider the many unintended consequences of opening up a discussion on the creation story and where that could end up especially being discussed among impressionable children. Does one not think for a moment that a parent like myself would not arm his kid loaded for bear going into a classroom where the biblical creation story is taught along side evolution? </p><p></p><p>I'm happy with the idea that science can't prove the source of power that took place in the first few gazillionth of a second of the big bang and that's true, science can't and science generally admits that and the same is true in regards to a primordial soup. It is just as speculative as a creation myth and that is right to point that out but to then take that and discount obvious evidence of later evolutionary forces at work IMO begins to discredit your correct points on the soup bowl. There are very respected and knowledgeable people who are christians and yet still believe in evolutionary forces in life on planet earth. A good example is <a href="http://www.nnp.org/nni/Publications/Dutch-American/bakker.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Dr. Bob Bakker</span></a> who as a paleontologist was the one who first suggested that modern birds evolved from dinosaurs and this is now accepted as fact by almost all scientists and yet Dr. Bob as he likes being called is a Pentecostal Preacher so the idea that science of evolution and the bible are in conflict is just not true IMO. </p><p></p><p>[media=youtube]UsJXZBtI5Uc[/media]</p><p></p><p>BTW Hoax, this post is not directed at you per se but just using your post to make a greater point on the issue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 934160, member: 2189"] I would agree and I know many christians want this but I think in a truly pure educational forum of true inquiry, especially with younger kids, it may prove far more problematic for christians than the current situation. Some cans of worms in the long run are best left not opened. To say that the evolutionary process is just another form of faith based belief [URL='http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html'][COLOR=#ff0000]is not entirely correct either.[/COLOR][/URL] But what happens in the context of the educational classroom when someone also wants to discuss the Sumerian creation story in the Enuma Elish that date to around 1800 BCE in written form on a stone stele? How about the written creation story of Egypt that dates from 2700 to 2200 BCE? In the context of the bible, what if someone wants to raise the issue of the documentary hypothesis in regards to how and when the bible was written? Would christians be prepared to have their children discuss the fact that in Genesis chapter 1 the creation order is literally in reverse of the creation order in Chapter 2? Or that god in one chapter is called by the name of the Canaanite chief diety (El) while in the other story god was called by the name Yahweh. On the one hand I can understand christians wanting the creation story to be held as true because to be honest, if there is no creation story, there is no fall of man, no original sin, so sinful nature of man and therefore man is not sinful and therefore in no need of an salvation so in that context I can understand the huge importance the creation story is to the faith itself. However, I do think christians fail to consider the many unintended consequences of opening up a discussion on the creation story and where that could end up especially being discussed among impressionable children. Does one not think for a moment that a parent like myself would not arm his kid loaded for bear going into a classroom where the biblical creation story is taught along side evolution? I'm happy with the idea that science can't prove the source of power that took place in the first few gazillionth of a second of the big bang and that's true, science can't and science generally admits that and the same is true in regards to a primordial soup. It is just as speculative as a creation myth and that is right to point that out but to then take that and discount obvious evidence of later evolutionary forces at work IMO begins to discredit your correct points on the soup bowl. There are very respected and knowledgeable people who are christians and yet still believe in evolutionary forces in life on planet earth. A good example is [URL='http://www.nnp.org/nni/Publications/Dutch-American/bakker.html'][COLOR=#ff0000]Dr. Bob Bakker[/COLOR][/URL] who as a paleontologist was the one who first suggested that modern birds evolved from dinosaurs and this is now accepted as fact by almost all scientists and yet Dr. Bob as he likes being called is a Pentecostal Preacher so the idea that science of evolution and the bible are in conflict is just not true IMO. [media=youtube]UsJXZBtI5Uc[/media] BTW Hoax, this post is not directed at you per se but just using your post to make a greater point on the issue. [/QUOTE]
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