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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 840214" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Good point Scratch. I've always found the whole rapture thing of interest because the basis for the belief found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 sure read in a different context when you read from verse 13 through verse 17. In fact, I'd encourage all to read both of Paul's letters to the christian ecclesia at Thessalonica to get a full and clear understanding of the message as well as full context. And I didn't use the ancient greek word ecclesia by accident either. </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /> </p><p></p><p>When you read verse 15, it suggests many in that day who were of witness to these events, Paul was saying some of you will be alive (you will not precede those who have fallen asleep) thus I would think that if Paul were talking of some future event 2000 years off, his wording would have been, "long time after we've all died" or something of that manner. And besides, if I came here into this forum and spoke of events 1000's of years off into the future, would anyone really care? </p><p></p><p>BTW: On a side note, Paul seems to be ignoring the standard belief system of heaven and hell because those "fallen asleep" would appear at the moment to not have gone anywhere and are in a state of waiting. Hmmmmm!</p><p></p><p>As you rightly pointed out by the action of people, they felt the end times was something their generation would experience and most of that was of a political deliverance from the Roman empire and the desire to return to the days of Israel and it's King David. Even Jesus' linage to David was made serious note of and the term <span style="color: red"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God" target="_blank">Son of God</a></span> was a title of nobility. All nationstate kings in those days were referred to as such. </p><p></p><p>Not unlike today, the people of that day were very influenced by apocalyptic language, the Essene influence being a huge example of. Apocalyptic belief IMO can be very dangerous as it can be self serving to appear as fact. Political leaders who hold such beliefs for example can make decisions of state under the illusion this is god's will or some other divine manifestation. Like it or not, George Bush had stated the influence of apocalyptic beliefs in his own life so how much of his decisions were governed by this? This leads to what some called <span style="color: red"><a href="http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy.htm" target="_blank">"self fulfilling prophesy" </a></span>which can be very dangerous and destructive. In the current war against so-called terrorism both sides IMO are more driven by these passions than we dare to realize and we often focus on sole leaders while ignoring all the surrounding cast of characters upon whose advice these leaders take and use. Therein lie the danger we often do not see or realize.</p><p></p><p>This type of religious belief IMO is extremely dangerous and one all should avoid as it's leads people to abandon all reason and logic and opens them up to manipulation by those wolves in sheeps clothing!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 840214, member: 2189"] Good point Scratch. I've always found the whole rapture thing of interest because the basis for the belief found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 sure read in a different context when you read from verse 13 through verse 17. In fact, I'd encourage all to read both of Paul's letters to the christian ecclesia at Thessalonica to get a full and clear understanding of the message as well as full context. And I didn't use the ancient greek word ecclesia by accident either. :wink2: When you read verse 15, it suggests many in that day who were of witness to these events, Paul was saying some of you will be alive (you will not precede those who have fallen asleep) thus I would think that if Paul were talking of some future event 2000 years off, his wording would have been, "long time after we've all died" or something of that manner. And besides, if I came here into this forum and spoke of events 1000's of years off into the future, would anyone really care? BTW: On a side note, Paul seems to be ignoring the standard belief system of heaven and hell because those "fallen asleep" would appear at the moment to not have gone anywhere and are in a state of waiting. Hmmmmm! As you rightly pointed out by the action of people, they felt the end times was something their generation would experience and most of that was of a political deliverance from the Roman empire and the desire to return to the days of Israel and it's King David. Even Jesus' linage to David was made serious note of and the term [COLOR=red][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God"]Son of God[/URL][/COLOR] was a title of nobility. All nationstate kings in those days were referred to as such. Not unlike today, the people of that day were very influenced by apocalyptic language, the Essene influence being a huge example of. Apocalyptic belief IMO can be very dangerous as it can be self serving to appear as fact. Political leaders who hold such beliefs for example can make decisions of state under the illusion this is god's will or some other divine manifestation. Like it or not, George Bush had stated the influence of apocalyptic beliefs in his own life so how much of his decisions were governed by this? This leads to what some called [COLOR=red][URL="http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy.htm"]"self fulfilling prophesy" [/URL][/COLOR]which can be very dangerous and destructive. In the current war against so-called terrorism both sides IMO are more driven by these passions than we dare to realize and we often focus on sole leaders while ignoring all the surrounding cast of characters upon whose advice these leaders take and use. Therein lie the danger we often do not see or realize. This type of religious belief IMO is extremely dangerous and one all should avoid as it's leads people to abandon all reason and logic and opens them up to manipulation by those wolves in sheeps clothing! [/QUOTE]
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