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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 395094" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>And I take back the slave comment so let's start anew.</p><p> </p><p>You are correct about the scamming on all sides of social security, welfare, whatever you want to call it. Providers who use lobbyist to create monopolies or near monopolies scam the taxpayer and in turn so do people who take avantage of loopholes they find for a free ticket. </p><p> </p><p>As for depending on social security, I'm the same as yourself. I've planned with 401k, IRA, pension and other investments and god willing it'll all work out. But I also recognize that there are other parties who have the ear of gov't and their own personal manipulation for their own benefit may in time harm my own plans. But that said, why should I trust those very people again who have crossed me time and time again in the past. As a 27 year IBT member I don't even want the union taking care of my medical or retirement needs because why should I trust the party that has gotten us worhtless contracts and made a wreck of our pension and medical already? And no I don't trust the company either because their vested interest is the company itself just as my interest is vested in myself. I hold no ill will to the company for doing for themselves exactly what I'm doing for me. In my world, end pensions, end company provided medical insurance and end gov't social welfare programs. All these actions lead to various means and mechanism of market intervention on behalf of the gov't and look behind that and you'll see some special interest that stands to profit from it.</p><p> </p><p>When Hillary came out with Hillarycare back in 93' I was watching CNBC as they discussed it and several stock analysts were talking about the heads of General Motors coming out in favor of her healthcare plan. I'm sitting there going "What the Frak" and just couldn't believe what I was hearing. But then when they showed the billions in profit to the bottomline that transferring healthcare to GM employees and retirees, I had "come to Jesus" moment and then realized business was just as neck deep in what one can call socialism and the welfare state as any liberal democrat do-gooder. (I still like the term demonrat, make a good name for a metal band! LOL!) GM along with their union wanted to take their liablity and pass this on to the American taxpayer. Corporations don't and never have paid taxes as they pass these on to employees and customers so it GM and other corporations can shell off the medical costs to the public trough, they fatten their bank account while I'm forced along with everyone else to pony up for the bill. </p><p> </p><p>Business and especially big business is all about gov't regulatory control as they use this as a mechanism to eliminate competition across the market place. A lot of OSHA, EPA and other regulations have come about not by the do-gooder liberal out there but rather at the hands of big business. They start the regulatory wheel rolling via rules creation and then they have lobbyist work the system into a lather and get the rules expanded to include companies with 50 employees or more, sometimes down to as little as 10 employees. These small companies are not as able to absorb the cost burdens and these small companies also have not held gov't position to make themselves available to the corp. welfare handouts that AV8 loves to have central power delegate out as party favors. They conform to the new regs and either cut their own market viability by spending needed capital $$$ to pay for reg. implementation or they raise costs to their own customer but either way, the big companies stand to further eliminate competition and via their gov't partner in crime and create business monopolies. The unions sit quiet because they've positioned with some of these big corp. themselves and they stand to monoplize the surrounding labor market. The monopoly pie is something gov't loves because the cost of tax revenue collection and other regulatory oversite along with economic planning for political purpose is further reduced for gov't and having everything centralized makes for easier control and thus a more guaranteed outcome. If I place you're arse in solitary confinment for 24 hours a day, I can guarantee an outcome of where you are at all times, when you eat, when you sleep, what you read and what you think. Lock the door, hire a cheap guard for $8 an hour and sit back and enjoy the good life. Dude, gov't is really no different than what you might think of such a wild exaggeration.</p><p> </p><p>As of policing the doctors. We have gov't oversight now but people still die correct? We have gov't FDA inspections of food but that doesn't prevent some Mexican from taking a dump in the field and giving you or myself E coli now does it? Having gov't in place doesn't and never have guaranteed a risk free society. In fact, it has a tendacy to lull people into false security and that's when the foxes invade the hen house! Do you go to gov't to get your auto mechanic to work on your car? Are so you look for a mechanic associated with a certain repair company you've come to trust? Do you look for an SAE certified mechanic? When you buy a product at the store, do you look to see if it has a UL tag signifying the product has been tested and passed Underwriters Lab testing? When you go to the doctor, do you look at his credentials on the wall? Do you ask for his test scores? Do you ask what certifications or gov't programs he/she has scored high on? I'll bet like the vast majority of folks out there, you talk with family, friends and neighbors and even co-workers to get suggestions of possible doctors based on what they say about their experiences with them. If a doctor wants repeat customers and wants to stay in business, will he/she be open with their background and education and will they have a strong practice with lots of healthy patients that you can see? When you need to go to the doctor, do you call the gov't to see who the "doctor of the month" is? Do you give a moment's thought about what if the doctor cheated on his testing or he paid someone a bribe to get certified? </p><p> </p><p>In my state, on July 1st it became law that all home builder/repair contractors become licensed and pass a certification test proving they are competent to do the job. The other day on the radio, a company was advertising to the repairman/contractors who need licensing to come to them for instruction/testing, etc. and they guarantee they get the license or they don't pay. Now tell me, does this in any way make you feel good that the guy coming out to fix your roof is any more competant than some illegal alien roofer? Fact is, the licensing law was pushed by white contractors trying to drive out mexican workers who had left the boss so to speak to become their own. Can't have them uppities leaving the plantation now can we! The State saw this as a opportunity to buy votes from a special interest group, maybe a 2nd in some consumer advocates, put pressure on illegals to leave and most importantly, generate more revenue and create a gov't jobs program that puts people to work albeit on the taxpayer dole. Hell, if anything, those illegals were keeping the American dream alive not that we've been doing much of that ourselves of late! </p><p> </p><p>The bottomline is you've got to police your own life. No, it's not easy and right now the deck is stacked in the opposing teams favor but here's what you have to ask yourself. Do we try and for once score some points ourselves in the hope it might turn the tide or do we just give up and lay down and let them run up the score? </p><p> </p><p>If you see a wrong, do you respond with a wrong knowing it will only grow more wrong or do you stand up for right no matter what, work with others who feel the same and try and make this right instead of making it more wrong!</p><p> </p><p>Freedom and liberty are not without risk but I've found over time that the risks are far less than in handing your life over in blind trust to others who in the end have their own self interest to serve over yours. If you walk into the midst of a bunch of crazed sex fiends, drop your pants and bend over, do you still expect not to get screwed even though they've promised you all they want to do is look! Who cares when you insist that hole is not big enough for that!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> </p><p>Boy, we're the gov't and if we say it'll fit, it'll fit even if we have to make it fit. </p><p> </p><p>I hope the pain of the thought gets the point across!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>I can tell by several of your posts your headed towards truth so keep digging. Look at all the voices out there, not just the ones you've been conditioned too!</p><p> </p><p>Take care!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 395094, member: 2189"] And I take back the slave comment so let's start anew. You are correct about the scamming on all sides of social security, welfare, whatever you want to call it. Providers who use lobbyist to create monopolies or near monopolies scam the taxpayer and in turn so do people who take avantage of loopholes they find for a free ticket. As for depending on social security, I'm the same as yourself. I've planned with 401k, IRA, pension and other investments and god willing it'll all work out. But I also recognize that there are other parties who have the ear of gov't and their own personal manipulation for their own benefit may in time harm my own plans. But that said, why should I trust those very people again who have crossed me time and time again in the past. As a 27 year IBT member I don't even want the union taking care of my medical or retirement needs because why should I trust the party that has gotten us worhtless contracts and made a wreck of our pension and medical already? And no I don't trust the company either because their vested interest is the company itself just as my interest is vested in myself. I hold no ill will to the company for doing for themselves exactly what I'm doing for me. In my world, end pensions, end company provided medical insurance and end gov't social welfare programs. All these actions lead to various means and mechanism of market intervention on behalf of the gov't and look behind that and you'll see some special interest that stands to profit from it. When Hillary came out with Hillarycare back in 93' I was watching CNBC as they discussed it and several stock analysts were talking about the heads of General Motors coming out in favor of her healthcare plan. I'm sitting there going "What the Frak" and just couldn't believe what I was hearing. But then when they showed the billions in profit to the bottomline that transferring healthcare to GM employees and retirees, I had "come to Jesus" moment and then realized business was just as neck deep in what one can call socialism and the welfare state as any liberal democrat do-gooder. (I still like the term demonrat, make a good name for a metal band! LOL!) GM along with their union wanted to take their liablity and pass this on to the American taxpayer. Corporations don't and never have paid taxes as they pass these on to employees and customers so it GM and other corporations can shell off the medical costs to the public trough, they fatten their bank account while I'm forced along with everyone else to pony up for the bill. Business and especially big business is all about gov't regulatory control as they use this as a mechanism to eliminate competition across the market place. A lot of OSHA, EPA and other regulations have come about not by the do-gooder liberal out there but rather at the hands of big business. They start the regulatory wheel rolling via rules creation and then they have lobbyist work the system into a lather and get the rules expanded to include companies with 50 employees or more, sometimes down to as little as 10 employees. These small companies are not as able to absorb the cost burdens and these small companies also have not held gov't position to make themselves available to the corp. welfare handouts that AV8 loves to have central power delegate out as party favors. They conform to the new regs and either cut their own market viability by spending needed capital $$$ to pay for reg. implementation or they raise costs to their own customer but either way, the big companies stand to further eliminate competition and via their gov't partner in crime and create business monopolies. The unions sit quiet because they've positioned with some of these big corp. themselves and they stand to monoplize the surrounding labor market. The monopoly pie is something gov't loves because the cost of tax revenue collection and other regulatory oversite along with economic planning for political purpose is further reduced for gov't and having everything centralized makes for easier control and thus a more guaranteed outcome. If I place you're arse in solitary confinment for 24 hours a day, I can guarantee an outcome of where you are at all times, when you eat, when you sleep, what you read and what you think. Lock the door, hire a cheap guard for $8 an hour and sit back and enjoy the good life. Dude, gov't is really no different than what you might think of such a wild exaggeration. As of policing the doctors. We have gov't oversight now but people still die correct? We have gov't FDA inspections of food but that doesn't prevent some Mexican from taking a dump in the field and giving you or myself E coli now does it? Having gov't in place doesn't and never have guaranteed a risk free society. In fact, it has a tendacy to lull people into false security and that's when the foxes invade the hen house! Do you go to gov't to get your auto mechanic to work on your car? Are so you look for a mechanic associated with a certain repair company you've come to trust? Do you look for an SAE certified mechanic? When you buy a product at the store, do you look to see if it has a UL tag signifying the product has been tested and passed Underwriters Lab testing? When you go to the doctor, do you look at his credentials on the wall? Do you ask for his test scores? Do you ask what certifications or gov't programs he/she has scored high on? I'll bet like the vast majority of folks out there, you talk with family, friends and neighbors and even co-workers to get suggestions of possible doctors based on what they say about their experiences with them. If a doctor wants repeat customers and wants to stay in business, will he/she be open with their background and education and will they have a strong practice with lots of healthy patients that you can see? When you need to go to the doctor, do you call the gov't to see who the "doctor of the month" is? Do you give a moment's thought about what if the doctor cheated on his testing or he paid someone a bribe to get certified? In my state, on July 1st it became law that all home builder/repair contractors become licensed and pass a certification test proving they are competent to do the job. The other day on the radio, a company was advertising to the repairman/contractors who need licensing to come to them for instruction/testing, etc. and they guarantee they get the license or they don't pay. Now tell me, does this in any way make you feel good that the guy coming out to fix your roof is any more competant than some illegal alien roofer? Fact is, the licensing law was pushed by white contractors trying to drive out mexican workers who had left the boss so to speak to become their own. Can't have them uppities leaving the plantation now can we! The State saw this as a opportunity to buy votes from a special interest group, maybe a 2nd in some consumer advocates, put pressure on illegals to leave and most importantly, generate more revenue and create a gov't jobs program that puts people to work albeit on the taxpayer dole. Hell, if anything, those illegals were keeping the American dream alive not that we've been doing much of that ourselves of late! The bottomline is you've got to police your own life. No, it's not easy and right now the deck is stacked in the opposing teams favor but here's what you have to ask yourself. Do we try and for once score some points ourselves in the hope it might turn the tide or do we just give up and lay down and let them run up the score? If you see a wrong, do you respond with a wrong knowing it will only grow more wrong or do you stand up for right no matter what, work with others who feel the same and try and make this right instead of making it more wrong! Freedom and liberty are not without risk but I've found over time that the risks are far less than in handing your life over in blind trust to others who in the end have their own self interest to serve over yours. If you walk into the midst of a bunch of crazed sex fiends, drop your pants and bend over, do you still expect not to get screwed even though they've promised you all they want to do is look! Who cares when you insist that hole is not big enough for that! :happy-very: Boy, we're the gov't and if we say it'll fit, it'll fit even if we have to make it fit. I hope the pain of the thought gets the point across! :happy-very::happy-very::happy-very: I can tell by several of your posts your headed towards truth so keep digging. Look at all the voices out there, not just the ones you've been conditioned too! Take care! [/QUOTE]
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