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<blockquote data-quote="JonFrum" data-source="post: 1021901" data-attributes="member: 18044"><p>Nonsense.</p><p></p><p>Where are you guys getting this?</p><p></p><p>Read the IBT Constitution. Article 12 on Strikes spells out all the procedures in great detail.</p><p>- - - -</p><p>By the way, Packmule, there was no actual UPS pension plan for us to go into. It didn't exist. It had no features. UPS was not proposing to put us in the Management Plan, which tells you our plan would be something significantly inferior, like what was created in the new UPS/IBT Full-time Plan for Central Staters.</p><p></p><p>The proposal was for us to end the strike, go back to work, and then, after most of our solidarity, public support, and bargaining bargaining power evaporated, a new plan would be quietly negotiated.</p><p></p><p>It would be administered by UPS. The jointly trusteed feature <u>seems</u> fair until you realize that the plan can almost never be improved yearly because half the trustees are UPS executives and have no incentive to cost UPS any more money than they initially spent to get the plan approved. All votes would tend to result in a tie, and nothing would ever pass. The union trustees would propose higher contribution rates and benefit amounts, and the company trustees would vote "no" to produce a stalemate. And the status quo is a win for UPS.</p><p></p><p>UPS also refused to rule out a Social Security Offset, which tells you they planned to cut your benefit by the amount of your Social Security check when you start collecting from Social Security.</p><p></p><p>The pension proposal was a deal breaker. A non-starter. UPS, of course, knew this all along.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JonFrum, post: 1021901, member: 18044"] Nonsense. Where are you guys getting this? Read the IBT Constitution. Article 12 on Strikes spells out all the procedures in great detail. - - - - By the way, Packmule, there was no actual UPS pension plan for us to go into. It didn't exist. It had no features. UPS was not proposing to put us in the Management Plan, which tells you our plan would be something significantly inferior, like what was created in the new UPS/IBT Full-time Plan for Central Staters. The proposal was for us to end the strike, go back to work, and then, after most of our solidarity, public support, and bargaining bargaining power evaporated, a new plan would be quietly negotiated. It would be administered by UPS. The jointly trusteed feature [U]seems[/U] fair until you realize that the plan can almost never be improved yearly because half the trustees are UPS executives and have no incentive to cost UPS any more money than they initially spent to get the plan approved. All votes would tend to result in a tie, and nothing would ever pass. The union trustees would propose higher contribution rates and benefit amounts, and the company trustees would vote "no" to produce a stalemate. And the status quo is a win for UPS. UPS also refused to rule out a Social Security Offset, which tells you they planned to cut your benefit by the amount of your Social Security check when you start collecting from Social Security. The pension proposal was a deal breaker. A non-starter. UPS, of course, knew this all along. [/QUOTE]
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