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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 1023519" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>Maybe what there was about the management plan that UPS didn't want you to have so badly was that it was management plans, and maybe they weren't stupid enough to believe for a second that the IBT would WANT their members in it since it was totally UPS controlled. Maybe they knew if they even suggested it, they would get Carey screaming how UPS wants to take over control of all UPS teamster pension funds so the greedy corporate fat cats could raid those funds. If that last was the case, then the joke is on Kelly and co., cause Carey did exactly that anyway. Maybe they didn't want you in that plan because even way back then they were planning on doing away with it. Who knows.</p><p> </p><p>UPS did offer MINIMUM payments, and the opportunity for higher benefits. Your idea of "but we would have to negotiate after our leverage was gone" is incredibly weak. It amounts to an admission that the IBT were weak negotiators and would not have been able to get an equitable deal. I think you are wrong. UPS could have afforded to give UPS teamsters even more than they wound up with and still save money by getting rid of the huge and growing liabilities caused by non-upsers in the mufti-employer funds. Of course, the big losers would be those non-UPS pensioners. Those are, in part, the folks Carey struck UPS to protect. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If I get time I may do some research on this. I do have a problem with this line of argument though. You are basically saying that since it is illegal, the IBT could not have been doing it. I could make the same argument to suggest no one ever drives over the speed limit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 1023519, member: 14596"] Maybe what there was about the management plan that UPS didn't want you to have so badly was that it was management plans, and maybe they weren't stupid enough to believe for a second that the IBT would WANT their members in it since it was totally UPS controlled. Maybe they knew if they even suggested it, they would get Carey screaming how UPS wants to take over control of all UPS teamster pension funds so the greedy corporate fat cats could raid those funds. If that last was the case, then the joke is on Kelly and co., cause Carey did exactly that anyway. Maybe they didn't want you in that plan because even way back then they were planning on doing away with it. Who knows. UPS did offer MINIMUM payments, and the opportunity for higher benefits. Your idea of "but we would have to negotiate after our leverage was gone" is incredibly weak. It amounts to an admission that the IBT were weak negotiators and would not have been able to get an equitable deal. I think you are wrong. UPS could have afforded to give UPS teamsters even more than they wound up with and still save money by getting rid of the huge and growing liabilities caused by non-upsers in the mufti-employer funds. Of course, the big losers would be those non-UPS pensioners. Those are, in part, the folks Carey struck UPS to protect. If I get time I may do some research on this. I do have a problem with this line of argument though. You are basically saying that since it is illegal, the IBT could not have been doing it. I could make the same argument to suggest no one ever drives over the speed limit. [/QUOTE]
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