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<blockquote data-quote="104Feeder" data-source="post: 1023722" data-attributes="member: 42554"><p>Some basic concepts that BrownIEman needs to grasp:</p><p></p><p>Guaranteed Minimum: look up our wage rates in the Contract. Those are also "guaranteed minimums". UPS would not raise pension payments under their proposed plan any more than they would raise wages inside a contract term. Hoping for a better deal later on is a pipe dream & a time killer. It's sort of like going to the car dealer for your new car, trade in, and financing: you are guaranteed to get screwed. </p><p></p><p>Contract proposals are gathered from locals via barn meetings, sometimes they are discussed & voted on at that time as to whether they are passed on to the negotiating committee. The committee then negotiates but has the power to reject whatever contract offer the Company sticks too if they feel it is substandard. We had barn meetings where what was being shoved down our throats as a LB&friend was discussed and a strike authorization vote given. There is no comprehensive list of proposals from all the locals passed around other than however they assembled them within the negotiating committee. When something is worthy of voting on then a copy of the proposed changes is mailed with the ballot to everyone and most barns have meetings where we discuss the impact of the changes. We're mostly old-school and prefer to hand things out to members only & in the hall where we can keep the rumors to a minimum. Every local does it their own way.</p><p></p><p>JonFrum is right that the plan as proposed sucked & the documents handed out had a disclaimer on the bottom basically saying everything you see above is make-believe. The "guaranteed minimum" you are stuck on too would have run roughshod over all better language negotiated in the supplements. As I pointed out before, our WCTPF was paying much better than the $3500 maximum then, even better now, and with much better PEER benefits.</p><p></p><p>We never, ever vote on a Contract and say "fill in the details later", no matter how glowing the promises are. I'm sure you wouldn't either.</p><p></p><p>Get off the CSPF. Sure it has it's issues and maybe it will never be 'fixed'. I won't pretend to be an expert on why but from what I've read there is plenty of blame to go around. As for multi-employers, we are Teamsters first, UPSers second. There were many, many years that Freight carried the UPSer so he or she could have a decent retirement and anyone who doesn't feel the same should be done for their fellow Teamster as a smaller outfit should be ashamed of themselves. </p><p></p><p>Jonfrum has laid it all out in a very easily understandable fashion that covered all the problems & pitfalls of accepting UPS's make-believe pension plan. It's a matter of your prejudices & warped perspective that you can't understand it. We don't have one word to say about your MIP or management pension so how about minding your own business? It's all moot anyway as we rejected it and won better language. My fund, the WCTPF even got a huge boost from the buyout of the CSPF so we didn't mind at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="104Feeder, post: 1023722, member: 42554"] Some basic concepts that BrownIEman needs to grasp: Guaranteed Minimum: look up our wage rates in the Contract. Those are also "guaranteed minimums". UPS would not raise pension payments under their proposed plan any more than they would raise wages inside a contract term. Hoping for a better deal later on is a pipe dream & a time killer. It's sort of like going to the car dealer for your new car, trade in, and financing: you are guaranteed to get screwed. Contract proposals are gathered from locals via barn meetings, sometimes they are discussed & voted on at that time as to whether they are passed on to the negotiating committee. The committee then negotiates but has the power to reject whatever contract offer the Company sticks too if they feel it is substandard. We had barn meetings where what was being shoved down our throats as a LB&friend was discussed and a strike authorization vote given. There is no comprehensive list of proposals from all the locals passed around other than however they assembled them within the negotiating committee. When something is worthy of voting on then a copy of the proposed changes is mailed with the ballot to everyone and most barns have meetings where we discuss the impact of the changes. We're mostly old-school and prefer to hand things out to members only & in the hall where we can keep the rumors to a minimum. Every local does it their own way. JonFrum is right that the plan as proposed sucked & the documents handed out had a disclaimer on the bottom basically saying everything you see above is make-believe. The "guaranteed minimum" you are stuck on too would have run roughshod over all better language negotiated in the supplements. As I pointed out before, our WCTPF was paying much better than the $3500 maximum then, even better now, and with much better PEER benefits. We never, ever vote on a Contract and say "fill in the details later", no matter how glowing the promises are. I'm sure you wouldn't either. Get off the CSPF. Sure it has it's issues and maybe it will never be 'fixed'. I won't pretend to be an expert on why but from what I've read there is plenty of blame to go around. As for multi-employers, we are Teamsters first, UPSers second. There were many, many years that Freight carried the UPSer so he or she could have a decent retirement and anyone who doesn't feel the same should be done for their fellow Teamster as a smaller outfit should be ashamed of themselves. Jonfrum has laid it all out in a very easily understandable fashion that covered all the problems & pitfalls of accepting UPS's make-believe pension plan. It's a matter of your prejudices & warped perspective that you can't understand it. We don't have one word to say about your MIP or management pension so how about minding your own business? It's all moot anyway as we rejected it and won better language. My fund, the WCTPF even got a huge boost from the buyout of the CSPF so we didn't mind at all. [/QUOTE]
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