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<blockquote data-quote="JonFrum" data-source="post: 1023920" data-attributes="member: 18044"><p>Going into a UPS-run plan that is <u>not</u> also for Management is letting the fox guard the chicken coop.</p><p></p><p>One good thing about being in the Management Plan would be that many of its features would apply equally to Management and us. For example, we wouldn't have to worry about the Plan being unexpectedly terminated, since Management presumably wouldn't do that to their own. (Though admitedly, they do seem to eat their young on occassion.)</p><p> </p><p>If the strike was called off and we went back to work, all the pressure on UPS would evaporate. The daily multi-million dollar money loss would stop, the terrible publicity, the angry shippers with their packages trapped in the system because UPS didn't warn them, the government pressure to reach a deal, the union solidarity, the union momentum, the attention of the public and the media, all of it would evaporate. Even union members would feel the strike was over, except for tieing up some minor loose ends. It would be impossible to negotiate successfully under those conditions. There would no longer be a deadline to focus the mind.</p><p></p><p>Almost all of the subsidizing of non-UPSers is the result of UPS policies that make it hard for so many UPSers to earn enough pension credits to get their money's worth back in pension benefits. These hostile policies would presumably still be present in a UPSers-only plan. Just look at the pitiful plan UPS runs for its part-timers in Central States (and a few other places.) Very inexpensive plan to run because so few ever collect.</p><p></p><p>Bad analogy. People drive over the speed limit because there are no police around, and no one will likely report them because it's too much trouble, hard to prove, and generally isn't worth it in the case of most speeders who aren't driving drunk or dangerously. But if a negotiating team committed an illegal bargaining act at the table, with a room full of agrieved people on the other side of the table looking at them face to face, that would be reported. There are witnesses, and the agrieved people need the misbehaveing side to stop so progress can be made. There might even be a government mediator present to facilitate good faith bargaining.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JonFrum, post: 1023920, member: 18044"] Going into a UPS-run plan that is [U]not[/U] also for Management is letting the fox guard the chicken coop. One good thing about being in the Management Plan would be that many of its features would apply equally to Management and us. For example, we wouldn't have to worry about the Plan being unexpectedly terminated, since Management presumably wouldn't do that to their own. (Though admitedly, they do seem to eat their young on occassion.) If the strike was called off and we went back to work, all the pressure on UPS would evaporate. The daily multi-million dollar money loss would stop, the terrible publicity, the angry shippers with their packages trapped in the system because UPS didn't warn them, the government pressure to reach a deal, the union solidarity, the union momentum, the attention of the public and the media, all of it would evaporate. Even union members would feel the strike was over, except for tieing up some minor loose ends. It would be impossible to negotiate successfully under those conditions. There would no longer be a deadline to focus the mind. Almost all of the subsidizing of non-UPSers is the result of UPS policies that make it hard for so many UPSers to earn enough pension credits to get their money's worth back in pension benefits. These hostile policies would presumably still be present in a UPSers-only plan. Just look at the pitiful plan UPS runs for its part-timers in Central States (and a few other places.) Very inexpensive plan to run because so few ever collect. Bad analogy. People drive over the speed limit because there are no police around, and no one will likely report them because it's too much trouble, hard to prove, and generally isn't worth it in the case of most speeders who aren't driving drunk or dangerously. But if a negotiating team committed an illegal bargaining act at the table, with a room full of agrieved people on the other side of the table looking at them face to face, that would be reported. There are witnesses, and the agrieved people need the misbehaveing side to stop so progress can be made. There might even be a government mediator present to facilitate good faith bargaining. [/QUOTE]
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