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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 813662" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Going back to what Island said in regards to nationbuilding and the counterpoint to his analysis which IMO was nothing more than a straw man fallacy, this past week Jack Hunter aka Southern Avenger over at The American Conservative addressed this straw man argument and did so very well I might add.</p><p>[video=youtube;Rgisza020ZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgisza020ZM&feature=player_embedded#at=176[/video]</p><p> </p><p>As for Michael Moore, he is correct in that large sums of money were generated with tax payer backing and transferred to certain large interests who now sit of that cash or so it's believed. Another school however wonders if those monies were in fact transferred to offshore banking interests to shore them up, thus the reason the likes of Ron Paul and Alan Grayson continued to pound Federal Reserve minions about where monies went and the need to audit.</p><p> </p><p>Many people argue that folks on welfare pay no taxes and therefore should recieve no benefit and on some level I understand the merit of it. Yet many of those same folks while advocating for a 0% percent tax rate for corporations would also never stand up and declare that these "productive freeloaders" shouldn't get a free ride either. On several levels, corp. taxation is a pure sham and at best only symbolic (workers and consumer pay all form and manner of taxation) but instead of taking the Moore approach and only increasing the symbolic tax rate (more burden on workers and consumers), why not like the other end of the welfare spectrum, just cut the corporations completely off from any and all state subsidy. Make their tax rate 0% not unlike the bottom end of the economic spectrum but no more welfare for the corporations either. No more tax credits written into the tax code for consumers who buy their products, an intervention that skews the true cost of the product onto the backs of taxpayers I might add. No more price supports of any kind or other special privilege. No more access to writting sweetheart legislation by industry lobbyists and think tank wonks. Let corporations pay their own way because for all practical purposes, they are tax exempt now. Oh yes, you want to end regulations, great because you'll also end all the regulations that in truth act an entry barriers and allow certain existing business and industry to enjoy a gov't invoke protected status by keeping the free market at bay. Let the FedEx's and the UPS's of the world build their own airports and other means of transport infrastructure. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /></p><p> </p><p>Wonder why Moore and OTHERS don't ever even hint of going in that direction? Hmmmm!</p><p> </p><p>Come to think of it, I wonder what regulations and legal policy act as entry barriers to up and coming film makers that in turn gives Mr. Moore a very nice comfort zone in which to operate while also not have to worry about real competition? A couple of years ago, I watched a documentary made about Moore by an up and coming film maker and what Moore sez in the way of openness and transparency, when it comes to himself is obviously not the same thing. If I can ever find the film, I'll link it because it's an absolute must see and you'll see a very different side of Mr. Michael Moore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 813662, member: 2189"] Going back to what Island said in regards to nationbuilding and the counterpoint to his analysis which IMO was nothing more than a straw man fallacy, this past week Jack Hunter aka Southern Avenger over at The American Conservative addressed this straw man argument and did so very well I might add. [video=youtube;Rgisza020ZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgisza020ZM&feature=player_embedded#at=176[/video] As for Michael Moore, he is correct in that large sums of money were generated with tax payer backing and transferred to certain large interests who now sit of that cash or so it's believed. Another school however wonders if those monies were in fact transferred to offshore banking interests to shore them up, thus the reason the likes of Ron Paul and Alan Grayson continued to pound Federal Reserve minions about where monies went and the need to audit. Many people argue that folks on welfare pay no taxes and therefore should recieve no benefit and on some level I understand the merit of it. Yet many of those same folks while advocating for a 0% percent tax rate for corporations would also never stand up and declare that these "productive freeloaders" shouldn't get a free ride either. On several levels, corp. taxation is a pure sham and at best only symbolic (workers and consumer pay all form and manner of taxation) but instead of taking the Moore approach and only increasing the symbolic tax rate (more burden on workers and consumers), why not like the other end of the welfare spectrum, just cut the corporations completely off from any and all state subsidy. Make their tax rate 0% not unlike the bottom end of the economic spectrum but no more welfare for the corporations either. No more tax credits written into the tax code for consumers who buy their products, an intervention that skews the true cost of the product onto the backs of taxpayers I might add. No more price supports of any kind or other special privilege. No more access to writting sweetheart legislation by industry lobbyists and think tank wonks. Let corporations pay their own way because for all practical purposes, they are tax exempt now. Oh yes, you want to end regulations, great because you'll also end all the regulations that in truth act an entry barriers and allow certain existing business and industry to enjoy a gov't invoke protected status by keeping the free market at bay. Let the FedEx's and the UPS's of the world build their own airports and other means of transport infrastructure. :surprised: Wonder why Moore and OTHERS don't ever even hint of going in that direction? Hmmmm! Come to think of it, I wonder what regulations and legal policy act as entry barriers to up and coming film makers that in turn gives Mr. Moore a very nice comfort zone in which to operate while also not have to worry about real competition? A couple of years ago, I watched a documentary made about Moore by an up and coming film maker and what Moore sez in the way of openness and transparency, when it comes to himself is obviously not the same thing. If I can ever find the film, I'll link it because it's an absolute must see and you'll see a very different side of Mr. Michael Moore. [/QUOTE]
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