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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 1064654" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Was Bill Clinton born into wealth? Plenty of examples out there of people who started humble and ended up wealthy. My answer still stands, some farmers might be grossing $80k a year, some $800k, many in between. If they shelled out $20hr to workers, how much would they have leftover? If you take away the profit incentive to do better people stop producing because it isn't worth it. In much the same way there will soon be less doctors.</p><p></p><p>Does it matter that you and I aren't millionaires? Again envy is at the heart of this discussion. I could care less how much anyone else has as long as I have a roof over my head, food to eat, the ability to travel, take care of my family, have something to live on when I'm old. I'm against exploitation, but is it exploiting people who come from where they have no work to gladly take what is available?</p><p></p><p>People think of illegal migrants as desperately poor, living in squalor. Fact is many, if not most, aren't here for the American dream. They live many to a cheap home to cut costs and send money home. They use that money to build homes and businesses in Mexico. Remittances to Mexico is one of the top sources of hard capital that country has. You also have to understand the mindset of Mexicans(and other Latinos). Americans tend to look at some work as beneath them. Mexicans see laboring in fields as honorable work, what they do to make money. All work is honorable. What's dishonorable is not being willing to work hard to take care of your family. USA Today had an article last week about how Mexico is now a middle class country. About half the population is middle class. Much of that growth in personal income came from not only trade with the States but hard working people willing to take the risk and head north to take work, in all kinds of venues. We tend to think of a constant push north, establishing themselves here. And certainly the growth of the Hispanic minority supports that. But many millions more have come and gone, because Mexico is where their home and family is, and where they want to be. I've also worked with Hispanic couriers in Texas and New Mexico. Many were first generation born in the U.S.. They tend to revere their parents, who worked so hard to give them a chance at a better life. You see, Hispanics don't just work in minimum wage jobs. In South Texas for example, they are the doctors, lawyers, judges, teachers, police, etc. White liberals, while well intentioned, seem to always think of minorities as needing their help and patronage i.e. White Paternalism. But given the chance to better themselves they do just fine without the great white father looking out for them. And no, they aren't all millionaires. I don't hear the ones I've been around complaining about it either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 1064654, member: 24302"] Was Bill Clinton born into wealth? Plenty of examples out there of people who started humble and ended up wealthy. My answer still stands, some farmers might be grossing $80k a year, some $800k, many in between. If they shelled out $20hr to workers, how much would they have leftover? If you take away the profit incentive to do better people stop producing because it isn't worth it. In much the same way there will soon be less doctors. Does it matter that you and I aren't millionaires? Again envy is at the heart of this discussion. I could care less how much anyone else has as long as I have a roof over my head, food to eat, the ability to travel, take care of my family, have something to live on when I'm old. I'm against exploitation, but is it exploiting people who come from where they have no work to gladly take what is available? People think of illegal migrants as desperately poor, living in squalor. Fact is many, if not most, aren't here for the American dream. They live many to a cheap home to cut costs and send money home. They use that money to build homes and businesses in Mexico. Remittances to Mexico is one of the top sources of hard capital that country has. You also have to understand the mindset of Mexicans(and other Latinos). Americans tend to look at some work as beneath them. Mexicans see laboring in fields as honorable work, what they do to make money. All work is honorable. What's dishonorable is not being willing to work hard to take care of your family. USA Today had an article last week about how Mexico is now a middle class country. About half the population is middle class. Much of that growth in personal income came from not only trade with the States but hard working people willing to take the risk and head north to take work, in all kinds of venues. We tend to think of a constant push north, establishing themselves here. And certainly the growth of the Hispanic minority supports that. But many millions more have come and gone, because Mexico is where their home and family is, and where they want to be. I've also worked with Hispanic couriers in Texas and New Mexico. Many were first generation born in the U.S.. They tend to revere their parents, who worked so hard to give them a chance at a better life. You see, Hispanics don't just work in minimum wage jobs. In South Texas for example, they are the doctors, lawyers, judges, teachers, police, etc. White liberals, while well intentioned, seem to always think of minorities as needing their help and patronage i.e. White Paternalism. But given the chance to better themselves they do just fine without the great white father looking out for them. And no, they aren't all millionaires. I don't hear the ones I've been around complaining about it either. [/QUOTE]
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