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<blockquote data-quote="cheryl" data-source="post: 1182204" data-attributes="member: 1"><p><strong><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130806/12154724080/former-nsa-director-calls-snowdens-supporters-internet-shut-ins-equates-transparency-activists-with-al-qaida-terrorists.shtml" target="_blank">Former NSA Boss Calls Snowden's Supporters Internet Shut-ins; Equates Transparency Activists With Al-Qaeda - Tech Dirt</a></strong></p><p></p><p>Some of the most ardent defenders of our nation's surveillance programs and other forms of cyber-overreach have one thing in common: they continue to belittle their opponents as a loose confederation of basement-dwelling loners who exist solely on The Internet. I'm sure this form of disparagement plays well with like-minded people who take comfort in belittling things they don't understand (anyone more than 5 years younger than them; The Internet; bitcoin exchange rates; bronies*).</p><p></p><p><em>[*TBH, I don't really understand the last two either. But I have yet to attack them purely out of naivete.]</em></p><p></p><p>Mike Rogers, best friend to intelligence agencies everywhere, has done this on more than one occasion. The first one he fired off during his impassioned defense of the indefensible CISPA bill, in which he referred to opponents of the bill (including the ACLU and EFF) as "14-year-olds in their basement clicking around on the internet."</p><p></p><p>Now, it's former NSA director Michael Hayden's turn to <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/06/nsa-director-cyber-terrorism-snowden" target="_blank">call opposition to NSA spying nothing more than bunch of internet malcontents</a>.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>"If and when our government grabs Edward Snowden, and brings him back here to the United States for trial, what does this group do?" said retired air force general Michael Hayden, who from 1999 to 2009 ran the NSA and then the CIA, referring to "nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years".</em></p><p></p><p>By characterizing the opposition as social misfits, the NSA's supporters hope to sway public opinion back to its side. After all, who would Joe Public find better company: anarchist twenty-somethings, most of them desperately single, or the intelligence community, which may occasionally, <em>inadvertently</em> overstep its bounds in its tireless quest to keep America safe?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/nsa-director-accused-of-lying-to-congress-at-black-hat-usa-2013-keynote-7000018810/" target="_blank"><strong>NSA Director accused of lying to Congress at Black Hat USA 2013 keynote - ZD Net</strong></a></p><p></p><p>Summary: During his packed Black Hat USA keynote NSA Director Keith Alexander assured the crowd that the NSA's surveillance programs are lawful interception; attendees did not hesitate to shout "Bull<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />"</p><p></p><p>The NSA Director was asked during DEF CON's Q and A if the NSA keeps files on all US citizens.</p><p></p><p>CNET reported that General Alexander had stated,</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> "No we don't. Absolutely not," he said. "Our job is foreign intelligence. We get oversight by Congress...everything we do is auditable by them, by the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act)...and by the (Obama) Administration."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"> He acknowledged that occasionally there are slip ups. "We may, incidentally in targeting a bad guy, hit on a good guy," he said. "We have requirements from (the FISA) court and the attorney general to minimize that."</p><p></p><p>Liar liar, pants on fire...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cheryl, post: 1182204, member: 1"] [B][URL='http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130806/12154724080/former-nsa-director-calls-snowdens-supporters-internet-shut-ins-equates-transparency-activists-with-al-qaida-terrorists.shtml']Former NSA Boss Calls Snowden's Supporters Internet Shut-ins; Equates Transparency Activists With Al-Qaeda - Tech Dirt[/URL][/B] Some of the most ardent defenders of our nation's surveillance programs and other forms of cyber-overreach have one thing in common: they continue to belittle their opponents as a loose confederation of basement-dwelling loners who exist solely on The Internet. I'm sure this form of disparagement plays well with like-minded people who take comfort in belittling things they don't understand (anyone more than 5 years younger than them; The Internet; bitcoin exchange rates; bronies*). [I][*TBH, I don't really understand the last two either. But I have yet to attack them purely out of naivete.][/I] Mike Rogers, best friend to intelligence agencies everywhere, has done this on more than one occasion. The first one he fired off during his impassioned defense of the indefensible CISPA bill, in which he referred to opponents of the bill (including the ACLU and EFF) as "14-year-olds in their basement clicking around on the internet." Now, it's former NSA director Michael Hayden's turn to [URL='http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/06/nsa-director-cyber-terrorism-snowden']call opposition to NSA spying nothing more than bunch of internet malcontents[/URL]. [INDENT][I]"If and when our government grabs Edward Snowden, and brings him back here to the United States for trial, what does this group do?" said retired air force general Michael Hayden, who from 1999 to 2009 ran the NSA and then the CIA, referring to "nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years".[/I][/INDENT] By characterizing the opposition as social misfits, the NSA's supporters hope to sway public opinion back to its side. After all, who would Joe Public find better company: anarchist twenty-somethings, most of them desperately single, or the intelligence community, which may occasionally, [I]inadvertently[/I] overstep its bounds in its tireless quest to keep America safe? [URL='http://www.zdnet.com/nsa-director-accused-of-lying-to-congress-at-black-hat-usa-2013-keynote-7000018810/'][B]NSA Director accused of lying to Congress at Black Hat USA 2013 keynote - ZD Net[/B][/URL] Summary: During his packed Black Hat USA keynote NSA Director Keith Alexander assured the crowd that the NSA's surveillance programs are lawful interception; attendees did not hesitate to shout "Bull:censored2:" The NSA Director was asked during DEF CON's Q and A if the NSA keeps files on all US citizens. CNET reported that General Alexander had stated, [INDENT] "No we don't. Absolutely not," he said. "Our job is foreign intelligence. We get oversight by Congress...everything we do is auditable by them, by the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act)...and by the (Obama) Administration." He acknowledged that occasionally there are slip ups. "We may, incidentally in targeting a bad guy, hit on a good guy," he said. "We have requirements from (the FISA) court and the attorney general to minimize that."[/INDENT] Liar liar, pants on fire... [/QUOTE]
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