need advice: footwear and management problem

[Buru]

Had a operations sort manager stand outside the guard shack and turn away any employee not in proper footwear, refusing to work them. My b.a. agrees the employees should have worn proper footwear, but he feels the manager handled it the wrong way by refusing to work these employees.. so I hung around the manager to take the names of everyone he refused to work, So they could file to get paid for the day.. 3 questions..
How should have the manager handled the situation?
Are these grievances winnable?
Does an operations manager also have to wear the proper footwear?

 

[brownelf]

Perhaps you should ask your BA, how does he want to handle this issue?

 

[TearsInRain]

How should have the manager handled the situation?
Are these grievances winnable?
Does an operations manager also have to wear the proper footwear?

he should have given a pcm on the issue and a week of clemency to get it fixed first

YOLO

yes but his proper footwear is different because his work is different

 

[smokey711]

I would approach it from the standpoint that these employees had essentially been suspended without following proper procedure (i.e. A verbal warning and a warning letter First).

 

[Jkloc420]

depends what the,managers standards r for footwear, union goes by the contract, which is stated in it.

 

[Future]

Had a operations sort manager stand outside the guard shack and turn away any employee not in proper footwear, refusing to work them. My b.a. agrees the employees should have worn proper footwear, but he feels the manager handled it the wrong way by refusing to work these employees.. so I hung around the manager to take the names of everyone he refused to work, So they could file to get paid for the day.. 3 questions..
How should have the manager handled the situation?
Are these grievances winnable?
Does an operations manager also have to wear the proper footwear?

They r turning workers away????. LMAO we can't get them 2 come in

 

[Future]

Sooooo basically they had Mgt ...loading the trucks ...... interesting

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

TIR was spot on------if the employees were thoroughly briefed on the policy regarding proper footwear and were given a reasonable period of time in which they could "go shopping" in order to comply and they in essence blew off the directive the manager has every right to send them home.

I'll bet tomorrow's check that each and every one of the employees who were sent home will be in full compliance tomorrow morning.

 

[Mst3k]

If they aren't drivers and he wants them to wear proper footwear then he can break out the Amex and buy them some.

 

[silenze]

I dont really know how you can take someone out of service off the clock in the parking lot.

 

[rod]

Is there anything in the dress code about what those who aren't drivers have to wear? I'm assuming because it was an operations sort manager he wasn't dealing with drivers. What about working the "past practices" angle? P.S.---the guy sounds like a real "d".

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I dont really know how you can take someone out of service off the clock in the parking lot.

Very simple:

Your footwear does not meet our previously discussed standards. You are being sent home and will only be allowed to return when you decide to meet those standards.

 

[Indecisi0n]

I wish it was that easy to be sent home. I'd wear flip flops every Friday.

 

[TearsInRain]

If they aren't drivers and he wants them to wear proper footwear then he can break out the Amex and buy them some.

Is there anything in the dress code about what those who aren't drivers have to wear? I'm assuming because it was an operations sort manager he wasn't dealing with drivers. What about working the "past practices" angle? P.S.---the guy sounds like a real "d".

there is a footwear portion of the dress code that applies to insiders, it's the same as drivers

honestly it's a dumb rule because:
1. most managers interpret it to mean you have to wear boots, which is not accurate

2. your chance of injury is greater wearing heavier shoes that wear out your ankles or heels than the chance of you dropping something on your feet

 

[burrheadd]

there is a footwear portion of the dress code that applies to insiders, it's the same as drivers

honestly it's a dumb rule because:
1. most managers interpret it to mean you have to wear boots, which is not accurate

2. your chance of injury is greater wearing heavier shoes that wear out your ankles or heels than the chance of you dropping something on your feet

Gonna need Austin to confirm this

 

[FrigidFTSup]

TIR was spot on------if the employees were thoroughly briefed on the policy regarding proper footwear and were given a reasonable period of time in which they could "go shopping" in order to comply and they in essence blew off the directive the manager has every right to send them home.

I'll bet tomorrow's check that each and every one of the employees who were sent home will be in full compliance tomorrow morning.

Is there anything in the dress code about what those who aren't drivers have to wear? I'm assuming because it was an operations sort manager he wasn't dealing with drivers. What about working the "past practices" angle? P.S.---the guy sounds like a real "d".

It's, I believe, the third thing gone over with every new employee.

 

[FrigidFTSup]

If they aren't drivers and he wants them to wear proper footwear then he can break out the Amex and buy them some.

The company doesn't provide footwear. If you can't come to work ready for the day, find another job.

 

[Bubblehead]

It's, I believe, the third thing gone over with every new employee.

I believe this to be a progressive issue, so unless these employees have warning letters on the subject, I don't see how their daily guarantee can be arbitrarily forfeited by the Company.

If it were my case to argue, that would be my angle.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I believe this to be a progressive issue, so unless these employees have warning letters on the subject, I don't see how their daily guarantee can be arbitrarily forfeited by the Company.

If it were my case to argue, that would be my angle.

I believe the company would say that it is a safety issue.

 

[rod]

I believe the company would say that it is a safety issue.

To them everything is a safety issue--unless it has to do with how fast a package is loaded or delivered---then all safety talk goes out the door. UPS has always preached safety out of one side of their mouth while screaming faster ,faster, faster out of the other side.