New Company Tactics

[tieguy]

Don't give me the Everyone has their own mind. I have my own garden someone planted a seed when I wasn't looking. Brussel sprouts i hate brussel sprouts.

Management

Stop putting ideas in peoples heads. No need for the vote yes only vote.

Yet you felt it okay to make one post after another here telling everyone to vote no. If you don't like it when someone tries to sway your vote why would you think it ok to do the same here in the negative?

 

[tieguy]

i got a letter today from tn district mngr that said "im asking you to learn about the tenative agreement, ask questions, and vote YES for ratification." so i wonder how many new hires and 1 year or less employee's will get this and vote yes to something they dont understand. how many 18- 21 year old college student that dont even plan on staying at ups vote "yes" becase management said too.COMPANY TACTICS

Per your quote management didn't tell them to vote yes to something they did not understand. Per your quote management told them to learn about the tentative agreement, told them to ask questions and then asked them to vote yes.

I could also pose the same question to you how do you know people out there will not understand the contract and vote no simply because you told them to.

And if they do is it ok simply because they voted your way?

some of the arguments here don't make any sense. You're basically saying you want these people kept in some kind of vacuum free of any positive contract support so you can taint their perspective.

How about adding some real integrity to the process and asking those in this gullible age group you mention both the positive and negative aspects of the offer and then ask them to vote the way they feel is right for them?

 

[sawdusttv]

Per your quote management didn't tell them to vote yes to something they did not understand. Per your quote management told them to learn about the tentative agreement, told them to ask questions and then asked them to vote yes.

I could also pose the same question to you how do you know people out there will not understand the contract and vote no simply because you told them to.

And if they do is it ok simply because they voted your way?

some of the arguments here don't make any sense. You're basically saying you want these people kept in some kind of vacuum free of any positive contract support so you can taint their perspective.

How about adding some real integrity to the process and asking those in this gullible age group you mention both the positive and negative aspects of the offer and then ask them to vote the way they feel is right for them?

It's kind of like you stating that anyone pushing the NO vote is spreading misinformation. You are trying to taint their perspective in the opposite direction.

 

[Mystakilla]

Tieguy please dont reply to any of my threads. Your not allowed!

LOL, JK. Your opinions always get people stirred up, however, you have to admit the company is trying to sway peoples votes and pressuring them, if you dont see that then your in a closet.

 

[FromBluetoBrown]

Tieguy please dont reply to any of my threads. Your not allowed!

LOL, JK. Your opinions always get people stirred up, however, you have to admit the company is trying to sway peoples votes and pressuring them, if you dont see that then your in a closet.

Well the same thing is happening here. The right thing to do is the read the contract for yourself and vote the way you feel is best for you and your family and not let anybody be it management, the union, or your fellow teamsters make you not vote the way you want.

 

[d-rek357]

you sure r smart, maybe u can tell me why i, a 9 year part-timer still waiting on a full time job should vote yes to this contract. seeing as they are still creating 22.3. but i guess everyone with 25+ years at ups are going to retire opening a job for me, right.

 

[d-rek357]

please reply tieguy

 

[TheVoice]

Well the same thing is happening here. The right thing to do is the read the contract for yourself and vote the way you feel is best for you and your family and not let anybody be it management, the union, or your fellow teamsters make you not vote the way you want.

That and vote no. *smile

 

[browned out]

Yet you felt it okay to make one post after another here telling everyone to vote no. If you don't like it when someone tries to sway your vote why would you think it ok to do the same here in the negative?

Sure my posts here reach maybe a thousand or so upsers

Is that the equivalent to a mass mailing to 200000 teamsters?
The press and other media are required by law to give equal time and space to the opposing point of view regarding the issue to be voted on.

Do you really believe that this point is not valid?

 

[tieguy]

you sure r smart, maybe u can tell me why i, a 9 year part-timer still waiting on a full time job should vote yes to this contract. seeing as they are still creating 22.3. but i guess everyone with 25+ years at ups are going to retire opening a job for me, right.

You're asking me why I personally would vote for the contract if I was a 9 year part timer waiting on a full time job knowing what I know? If I was in such a situation I would be voting for the contract and praying everyone else did. Knowing what I know seeing that our package volume dropped ten percent last month. Knowing that a recession is around the corner. knowing that a no vote on this offer will cause many shippers to get nervous and start diverting volume. Knowing fdx has the system capacity to handle this diversion and is pushing hard to help that diversion. Knowing all this I personally would be praying that there was not any more diversions that would make my wait any longer.

But thats my personal opinion on such a scenario. You should always gather all input from all sources and make your own decision based on what you feel is right and based on how much risk you're willing to take.

 

[tieguy]

Sure my posts here reach maybe a thousand or so upsers

Is that the equivalent to a mass mailing to 200000 teamsters?
The press and other media are required by law to give equal time and space to the opposing point of view regarding the issue to be voted on.

Do you really believe that this point is not valid?

are you dodging my question? You complain about your district telling you they think its a good contract yet you think its ok to tell others here to vote no. If its ok for you to do it then I think its ok for your district to say they think they made a good offer. Again it does not hurt anything to listen to all sides in this process.

Generally from what I've seen with these processes the person / persons high enough on the seniority list to be secure against a loss of volume and job losses are usually the ones screaming the loudest when trying to sway others to vote no. Seniority providing security providing bravado.
If for instance I was someone low on someones seniority list or close to taking the next jump to a better paying position I would be real carefull who I listened to.

gonads by seniority perhaps.

 

[browned out]

Many different scenarios exist. There is a real possibility that fedex will have to classify their ground drivers as employees. This would raise their costs and they will pass this onto the customer. This would cause ups and fedex prices to become comparable. Our service is superior so more volume will be diverted to ups.

Ups also has pending legislative action that would cause the post office to compete on a more level playing field. This would also increase ups volume.

There is also a remote possibility that the teamsters will unionize fedex. This would also increase ups volume.

If ifs and buts was candy and nuts we'd all be fat and happy.

And monkeys might fly out of my butt

Don't base your vote on hypothicals. Read the propasal and vote.

 

[VTBrown]

At this point in time there is almost NO way FDX is going to have to classify it's contracted guys as employees.

The recent court battle has only made them change by phasing out single route owners to owners having multiple routes and sub contracting drivers themselves to cover them.

It's going to take YEARS and YEARS before anything happens there to significantly increase their cost's in terms of raising prices.

 

[VTBrown]

You're asking me why I personally would vote for the contract if I was a 9 year part timer waiting on a full time job knowing what I know? If I was in such a situation I would be voting for the contract and praying everyone else did. Knowing what I know seeing that our package volume dropped ten percent last month. Knowing that a recession is around the corner. knowing that a no vote on this offer will cause many shippers to get nervous and start diverting volume. Knowing fdx has the system capacity to handle this diversion and is pushing hard to help that diversion. Knowing all this I personally would be praying that there was not any more diversions that would make my wait any longer.

But thats my personal opinion on such a scenario. You should always gather all input from all sources and make your own decision based on what you feel is right and based on how much risk you're willing to take.

No....your view is still clouded by being in management no matter how you want to spin it.

It's pretty freaken common for management to tote the "volume" is down crap. Yet since the paper allowance and EDD came into play they somehow found a way to add more stops per car on us.

Volume is down...yet we were dispatched with a 24 car plan recently (Friday)with 11 going out in the red

It's like when we have our PCM's that the centers inbound is down and it's HAS to be do to the competition. Wait...it's not that we lost several large shipping accounts do to them moving to a state that treats it's business a bit better then VT?

Those customers didn't leave UPS they left our centers geographic coverage. The packages are still there just in a different place.

Until DHL stops hiring complete door knobs we have nothing to fear from them. They will always be able to get the customer that wants it as cheap as possible. No different then when they were Airborne.

FDX with it's formula just does not service the rural commercial and residential customers in a way that will ever win them huge national growth.

Right now FDXG is like the old UPS - "Oh...sorry I'm early today but I won't be back later. I'll take what you have, the rest can go tomorrow."

WHEN THOSE THINGS start changing is when we really need to be nervous.

 

[Brown Dog]

If you don't think you deserve 2 days a month to be relieved of duty to attend any family functions( ie.. funeral, wake,kids activities ). If you think it's all right to be consistently working over 9.5 hours 12 months a years. If you think a company that makes over 1 BILLION dollars in PROFIT every 3 MONTHS should devalue you pension by 60%. I friend you think you should just be grateful that you have a job and should keep your mouth shut despite seeing things that you think are violations of the contract. THEN -- this might be an appropriate contract proposal for you. As for me and my family, it is not. GO BACK TO THE BARGAINING TABLE. We have more than 9 months to come up with a more appropriate contract that actually has benefits for the majority of union dues paying teamsters, NOT just UPS and teamster negotiaters

 

[Cole]

We've been polling our people and if they did not get a ballot then we give the shop steward the name and address information of those who did not get ballots. So in this case if your guy files a NLRB complaint then the union may got caught up in it too. The best thing to do is let the union know and they can address it with that districts labor manager and HR department.

If there is some collusion going on and the union gets caught it something dirty, let the chips fall where they may!

 

[sawdusttv]

If you don't think you deserve 2 days a month to be relieved of duty to attend any family functions( ie.. funeral, wake,kids activities ). If you think it's all right to be consistently working over 9.5 hours 12 months a years. If you think a company that makes over 1 BILLION dollars in PROFIT every 3 MONTHS should devalue you pension by 60%. I friend you think you should just be grateful that you have a job and should keep your mouth shut despite seeing things that you think are violations of the contract. THEN -- this might be an appropriate contract proposal for you. As for me and my family, it is not. GO BACK TO THE BARGAINING TABLE. We have more than 9 months to come up with a more appropriate contract that actually has benefits for the majority of union dues paying teamsters, NOT just UPS and teamster negotiaters

Well said Brown Dog!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm with you ! I don't understand the thinking of these people that would accept a mediocre offer, based on scare tactics from the company and union, knowing that they have nine months to come up with a fair offer. If I were the CEO of UPS, I would do the same thing that they are doing. Throw the bait out there and see what happens, these dumb truck drivers might take the bait and we the management have just hit the lottery. If they don't take the bait, well, we will give them a little better offer that we know will pass, and we will still be in good shape. So, lets start at the bottom and work our way up, we have the time to try this.

 

[browned out]

are you dodging my question? You complain about your district telling you they think its a good contract yet you think its ok to tell others here to vote no. If its ok for you to do it then I think its ok for your district to say they think they made a good offer. Again it does not hurt anything to listen to all sides in this process.

Generally from what I've seen with these processes the person / persons high enough on the seniority list to be secure against a loss of volume and job losses are usually the ones screaming the loudest when trying to sway others to vote no. Seniority providing security providing bravado.
If for instance I was someone low on someones seniority list or close to taking the next jump to a better paying position I would be real carefull who I listened to.

gonads by seniority perhaps.

UPS threw the first stone. I would not even be posting negative responses on this site if UPS did not flood upsers with yes vote threats and propaganda. I'm just attempting to level the playing field. I don't have the finances to send 200,000 upser vote no propaganda with the negative points of this agreement.
If I did I would.

It is no OK to tell people how to vote ever.

 

[tieguy]

UPS threw the first stone. I would not even be posting negative responses on this site if UPS did not flood upsers with yes vote threats and propaganda. I'm just attempting to level the playing field. I don't have the finances to send 200,000 upser vote no propaganda with the negative points of this agreement.
If I did I would.

It is no OK to tell people how to vote ever.

ups has always encouraged a yes vote on a handshake agreement is this your first contract? Don't worry rookie lot of hysteria at contract time. When its over we all move on and we all make money.

 

[browned out]

ups has always encouraged a yes vote on a handshake agreement is this your first contract? Don't worry rookie lot of hysteria at contract time. When its over we all move on and we all make money.

Nope 18 years at ups

I recall in 97 when UPS sent out huige packets with their offer. You all will make money.

We will look back in 5 years and see if the average upsers wage percentage increase or ups profit increase is more. I think you know what the answer will be.