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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 3966276" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>I'm totally against able bodied people living off the government with free money. I'm totally for contributing from my paycheck, matched by my employer, towards the day when I'm too old to work, or disabled and can't work, or for children who are orphaned. I realize people game the system with disability, there are flaws that need to be addressed. But there are millions and millions of people who don't make enough to decently fund their retirement on their own. Before looking down your nose at them you need to recognize that they perform essential work, or work in companies that provide goods and services you want but couldn't afford if they paid their workers a good deal more. The dirty little secret of capitalism is that for many companies to succeed and their owners and management to get wealthy they have to have a workforce that will accept less pay than what you deem acceptable. If they didn't the whole system would unravel. Against that the least they can do is contribute to the retirement of the people who are making it happen for them. Which is exactly what many business owners don't want to do, they want to keep it for themselves and hate that they are forced by law to do so. But without that law many many people would be forced to work until they physically couldn't, and be a real burden to their families without any income at all. Maybe we could run them up to the Arctic and push them out to sea on a little iceberg like the Eskimoes? Just euthanize them? Say they weren't "winners" in life like you and thus don't deserve anything?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 3966276, member: 24302"] I'm totally against able bodied people living off the government with free money. I'm totally for contributing from my paycheck, matched by my employer, towards the day when I'm too old to work, or disabled and can't work, or for children who are orphaned. I realize people game the system with disability, there are flaws that need to be addressed. But there are millions and millions of people who don't make enough to decently fund their retirement on their own. Before looking down your nose at them you need to recognize that they perform essential work, or work in companies that provide goods and services you want but couldn't afford if they paid their workers a good deal more. The dirty little secret of capitalism is that for many companies to succeed and their owners and management to get wealthy they have to have a workforce that will accept less pay than what you deem acceptable. If they didn't the whole system would unravel. Against that the least they can do is contribute to the retirement of the people who are making it happen for them. Which is exactly what many business owners don't want to do, they want to keep it for themselves and hate that they are forced by law to do so. But without that law many many people would be forced to work until they physically couldn't, and be a real burden to their families without any income at all. Maybe we could run them up to the Arctic and push them out to sea on a little iceberg like the Eskimoes? Just euthanize them? Say they weren't "winners" in life like you and thus don't deserve anything? [/QUOTE]
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