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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 4975520" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>No, I'm talking about specifics not generalizations.  You've yet to say exactly how Trump was corrupt.  You can't point to anything in the climate that proves we're all going to die or that the ice caps will melt, etc.  Predictions aren't facts.  We need proof.  Some things might happen, but then some things will always happen.  Environmentalists through the courts forced states to put out forest fires.  Undergrowth built up to the point that now when we have a fire they're huge from all the added fuel.  But environmentalists say the huge fires are the result of climate change.  Anyone can twist anything to their advantage but it doesn't make it so.</p></blockquote><p></p>