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<blockquote data-quote="TMGwam" data-source="post: 797177" data-attributes="member: 25692"><p>UpstateNYUPSer, to further explain that situation:</p><p> </p><p>I don't really know how that system started (did management tell someone they can collect their 15 minutes at the end, or did the person tell management that's what they feel is fair?), I just know it's the response to our official break being taken away. I suppose the official idea is that we have to clock out, clock in, wait for 15 minutes, and clock out again. But many of us are getting away with just staying on 15 minutes. We decided because management hasn't made an official announcement or told us individually, we can keep doing it that way. They're not denying us this after-work "break" because they're agreeing that it is our legal right to it if we worked 3 hours and 45 minutes. (in reality, the legal number is 3 and a half hours) There's been times when an employee arrives very late to work, making it obvious that he or she won't earn a break that day. At the end of the shift, the fulltime supervisor may be standing next to the punchout clock to make sure that employee punched out. I think the part timers also keep track of what time employees are told to go home. A lot of times, the part time supervisor's goal is to send home as many employees as possible before they make 3 hours and 45 minutes. In reality, it's all based on a lie and we already make break due to our work guarantee.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>It was only recently I heard that a couple people are asserting their right to take that break in the midpoint. They're not just abandoning work- though there was a debate about that. The fulltime supervisor said that an employee must notify a full time supervisor and not just a part time supervisor if he or she is to leave to take that break. However, it would just take more time to walk around and find said supervisor. It also makes me feel as if my part time supervisor is even less useful than I thought.</p><p> </p><p>I was pretty sure my BA knew of our break situation, unless he just didnt bother to question why we stand around for break at the end of the shift instead of the middle. As for a grievance, it seems we're not being denied our breaks, but you do have to be the 1% of people that assert their rights AND knows what those rights actually are well enough so they can argue back with a supervisor. In other words, they'll give me my break if I ask for it, so can I really file a formal grievance? I'm thinking I should call my BA anyways and ask him specifically about how the law says we get breaks at 3 and a half, which is what we're guaranteed anyways. But I don't really know what my question is. "How is this happening?" "Is this legit?"</p><p> </p><p>That's kind of what I wanted to ask you guys: Does this seem acceptable? Again, we're not being denied our breaks. They just have to all stand up and ask for it. If enough people do it, it'll create enough inconvenience so that they have to just stop all work for 15 minutes like they used to do. The problem lies in the fact that noone will stand up and take it even when they're informed about it, maybe unless there's an official shop steward or someone going around pressing that fact on everyone.</p><p> </p><p>I'll keep you guys updated on what my BA's response is, and what happens at work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TMGwam, post: 797177, member: 25692"] UpstateNYUPSer, to further explain that situation: I don't really know how that system started (did management tell someone they can collect their 15 minutes at the end, or did the person tell management that's what they feel is fair?), I just know it's the response to our official break being taken away. I suppose the official idea is that we have to clock out, clock in, wait for 15 minutes, and clock out again. But many of us are getting away with just staying on 15 minutes. We decided because management hasn't made an official announcement or told us individually, we can keep doing it that way. They're not denying us this after-work "break" because they're agreeing that it is our legal right to it if we worked 3 hours and 45 minutes. (in reality, the legal number is 3 and a half hours) There's been times when an employee arrives very late to work, making it obvious that he or she won't earn a break that day. At the end of the shift, the fulltime supervisor may be standing next to the punchout clock to make sure that employee punched out. I think the part timers also keep track of what time employees are told to go home. A lot of times, the part time supervisor's goal is to send home as many employees as possible before they make 3 hours and 45 minutes. In reality, it's all based on a lie and we already make break due to our work guarantee. It was only recently I heard that a couple people are asserting their right to take that break in the midpoint. They're not just abandoning work- though there was a debate about that. The fulltime supervisor said that an employee must notify a full time supervisor and not just a part time supervisor if he or she is to leave to take that break. However, it would just take more time to walk around and find said supervisor. It also makes me feel as if my part time supervisor is even less useful than I thought. I was pretty sure my BA knew of our break situation, unless he just didnt bother to question why we stand around for break at the end of the shift instead of the middle. As for a grievance, it seems we're not being denied our breaks, but you do have to be the 1% of people that assert their rights AND knows what those rights actually are well enough so they can argue back with a supervisor. In other words, they'll give me my break if I ask for it, so can I really file a formal grievance? I'm thinking I should call my BA anyways and ask him specifically about how the law says we get breaks at 3 and a half, which is what we're guaranteed anyways. But I don't really know what my question is. "How is this happening?" "Is this legit?" That's kind of what I wanted to ask you guys: Does this seem acceptable? Again, we're not being denied our breaks. They just have to all stand up and ask for it. If enough people do it, it'll create enough inconvenience so that they have to just stop all work for 15 minutes like they used to do. The problem lies in the fact that noone will stand up and take it even when they're informed about it, maybe unless there's an official shop steward or someone going around pressing that fact on everyone. I'll keep you guys updated on what my BA's response is, and what happens at work. [/QUOTE]
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