Non Union Members

[1989]

If you were offered a Job by Fedex and Ups To be a full time driver, what job would you take and why.

Yes, UPS pays above the market prices for it's labor. Yet the union caps what the employee makes.

 

[Jones]

Yes, UPS pays above the market prices for it's labor. Yet the union caps what the employee makes.

Actually, the company sets that cap during the contract negotiations. What the union does is get the company to set that cap higher than they would otherwise.

 

[brownmonster]

I believe the wages in the contract are minimums. The company is free to raise them at any time.

 

[local804]

Yes, UPS pays above the market prices for it's labor. Yet the union caps what the employee makes.

We used to get $1000 bonus every year, remember that?

 

[pudg00]

In CA. I worked for a const. company. $450 per month for health insurance. Anybody paid for health ins. lately? I do not know of any company where you can make $70,000 a year after 3 yrs. I made a good living in const. but UPS has given me more in my short time than 9 yrs. in management at my previous employer.

 

[Fnix]

I stand corrected if paying half your check to the state and suffering through inferior health care and paying an arm and a leg for a small house with a tiny yard next to a factory is your idea of a superior lifestyle then you're good. I am curious though will you be selling everything you have and moving to take advantage of this superior lifestyle?

Your views intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your news letter. My relatives have nice flats in Berlin, they are not near any factories and they had new Audis and did not seem to have any financial woes. They were engineers though. And my elder relatives in bavara had single homes in the mountains.

 

[1989]

I believe the wages in the contract are minimums. The company is free to raise them at any time.

True, but if the company pays you more, they have to pay a deadbeat like myself the same.

 

[tieguy]

Ask the ex-enron employees about 401k plans,

mine is not vested in enron.

yes your's may be better. Also you've mentioned "portability" but how many years do you have to be in before the companies match is vested.

huh? Its instantaneous, I put in 3 percent they put in 3 percent.

Also I kind think the days of unions giving pension funds to the mob are pretty much over.

hope so.

You mentioned how well you and your neighbors have it. A couple of them are engineers. As far as I know engineers, unless they run a locomotive are professionals and usually make much more than a "blue" (or brown) collar worker. I would think so if he can afford a $300K addition to his home.

whats the difference. they earned thier money and early retirement without the help of a union.

I don't believe most union workers can afford that sort of thing.

You agree with me.

You keep trying to compare yourself to the union worker.

No I don't I keep making the point that the union has not done as much for people as they want you to believe.

By your own identity you are "tieguy", maybe I'm wrong but I'm assuming you're in a management position.

you've been assuming a lot this one you got right.

They traditionally are not union positions. Basically the only "professionals" that are in a union are teachers. Do you think many of them would "opt out" of their union?

They should teachers dont make ****. another example supporting my point that unions have not done that much.

You are really trying to compare your and your neighbors postions, (apples) to the working mans, rank and file. (oranges).

The folks across the street from me are blue collar in every way except they don't have a union. You're rambling now and obviously did not pay attention.

 

[tieguy]

I am surprised that you are relying on these government interfering laws to protect yourself

I guess I should have clarified. The point is that there are many government agencies and options now that thus create less of a need for a union.

My example is not unique. Many union free companies now offer some type of grievance process.

Osha , NLRB and EEOC are all there to help those who feel they need them. Thus the unions primary purpose now has been reduced to the collective bargaining process.

 

[tieguy]

I believe the wages in the contract are minimums. The company is free to raise them at any time.

the production levels we ask for are also minimums. Feel free to raise yours anytime you feel froggy.

 

[MonavieLeaker]

Times have changed since you have worked in the barn my friend. The runners and gunners have been yanked in the office just like the rest of the folks. Everything from not signing a call tag to missing the hand rail while entering the car. A driver got pulled in because all of his sick days were used and he took 3 days off to take his son out of state to a specialist. Driver had proof where he was, didnt matter. The gestapos are all trying to justify the job they hold and one is trying to out do the other. Our binding contract would never be enforced if we didnt have a union and your company would take every last drop of blood from our bodies if you had the chance to do so.

+1

 

[bluehdmc]

Roflmao. Enjoy while you can. I have a couple hundred grand in my 401 K plan. last time I checked ups put about 45 percent of that money in there. How much did they put in your 401 K plan my friend.

Ask the ex-enron employees about 401k plans,

mine is not vested in enron.

Lucky you, I bet there are some people that wished there's wasn't either

yes your's may be better. Also you've mentioned "portability" but how many years do you have to be in before the companies match is vested.

huh? Its instantaneous, I put in 3 percent they put in 3 percent.
My ex-wife worked for an employer the would contribute to the 401K but if you left before a certain time period, (either 3 or 5 yrs) you had to give back "their" contributions, (you could keep the earnings though)
It's called vesting, not all 401k's vest from day 1, if your's does good for you.

Also I kind think the days of unions giving pension funds to the mob are pretty much over.

hope so.

You mentioned how well you and your neighbors have it. A couple of them are engineers. As far as I know engineers, unless they run a locomotive are professionals and usually make much more than a "blue" (or brown) collar worker. I would think so if he can afford a $300K addition to his home.

whats the difference. they earned thier money and early retirement without the help of a union.

I don't believe most union workers can afford that sort of thing.

You agree with me.

In this particular instance yes, only because most union workers ARE NOT professionals. A college degree is not required for most union jobs either. (but I think it is for engineers, except the locomotive ones).

You keep trying to compare yourself to the union worker.

No I don't I keep making the point that the union has not done as much for people as they want you to believe.

I look at what unions, (or union employment) has done for me, not as you say what they want me to believe. I've worked union and non union, and much prefer the pay and benefits in the union employment.

By your own identity you are "tieguy", maybe I'm wrong but I'm assuming you're in a management position.

you've been assuming a lot this one you got right.

They traditionally are not union positions. Basically the only "professionals" that are in a union are teachers. Do you think many of them would "opt out" of their union?

They should teachers dont make ****. another example supporting my point that unions have not done that much.

Maybe where you live teachers don't do well, they seem to do pretty well in Northern NJ. Plus only work 180 days a year, get reimbursed for continuing education, (which also increases their salaries as they accumulate more credits and degrees.) Very good health benefits, pension after 20yrs, etc.

You are really trying to compare your and your neighbors postions, (apples) to the working mans, rank and file. (oranges).

The folks across the street from me are blue collar in every way except they don't have a union. You're rambling now and obviously did not pay attention.

How are the people across the street "blue collar in every way except they don't have a union". Being in a union doesn't necessarily make you bluecollar, and being bluecollar doesn't necessarily make you "union".

 

[local804]

Basically the only "professionals" that are in a union are teachers. Do you think many of them would "opt out" of their union?

Unions do not stop at teachers. Lets not forget about doctors, nurses, police ect.

 

[tieguy]

Unions do not stop at teachers. Lets not forget about doctors, nurses, police ect.

i don't know any doctors that belong to a union.

What the unions have done for police and teachers is disgraceful.

 

[local804]

i don't know any doctors that belong to a union.

What the unions have done for police and teachers is disgraceful.

Police department in NY(mine)
Discraceful? How about UPS wanting a part time America, that isnt discraceful? Not too shabby for a union policeman.
Upstate NY had a group of doctors join the teamsters. I remember reading it in our monthly magazine. I will look around the house for it.

SALARY
2007 starting base salary for a Police Officer is $57,811. With five (5) years of service, the base salary is $97,958*. These figures do not include paid benefits.

BENEFITS
Full salary and benefits during entire training period.
Paid family dental, optical and medical plans.

Longevity pay increments begin after five (5) years of service.

Fifteen (15) paid vacation days first year of service, increasing to twenty-seven (27) days after five (5) years of service.

Thirteen (13) sick leave days first year of service, increasing to twenty-six (26) days after the first three (3) years of service. Unused sick leave days are cumulative.
* Under 2007 labor agreement

 

[UPSNewbie]

Police department in NY(mine)
Discraceful? How about UPS wanting a part time America, that isnt discraceful? Not too shabby for a union policeman.
Upstate NY had a group of doctors join the teamsters. I remember reading it in our monthly magazine. I will look around the house for it.
SALARY
2007 starting base salary for a Police Officer is $57,811. With five (5) years of service, the base salary is $97,958*. These figures do not include paid benefits.

BENEFITS
Full salary and benefits during entire training period.
Paid family dental, optical and medical plans.

Longevity pay increments begin after five (5) years of service.

Fifteen (15) paid vacation days first year of service, increasing to twenty-seven (27) days after five (5) years of service.

Thirteen (13) sick leave days first year of service, increasing to twenty-six (26) days after the first three (3) years of service. Unused sick leave days are cumulative.
* Under 2007 labor agreement

If only teachers made that. I would be extremely happy, since I'm working on my teaching certificate.

 

[local804]

If only teachers made that. I would be extremely happy, since I'm working on my teaching certificate.

Our teacher are pretty close to the police salary. Not too bad working till 3 and 9 months out of the year(Long Island). They are very well compensated and do an outstanding job.

good luck newb

 

[tieguy]

If only teachers made that. I would be extremely happy, since I'm working on my teaching certificate.

keep in mind that they also pay some of the highest taxes and highest prices in the country. that would be good money if it was anyone other then new york.

 

[UPSNewbie]

keep in mind that they also pay some of the highest taxes and highest prices in the country. that would be good money if it was anyone other then new york.

Very true. Oklahoma is 48th in the US with average teacher pay. I'm going to get the hell out of here.

 

[pickup]

keep in mind that they also pay some of the highest taxes and highest prices in the country. that would be good money if it was anyone other then new york.

that in addition to the fact that the ny state and local governments(who can't print money like the feds) are broke and are threatening the unions of their employees with pension and healthcare cuts(i.e workers contribute more to their healthcare) . If they don't give back on those two fronts, then there will supposedly be layoffs.