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<blockquote data-quote="bluehdmc" data-source="post: 514575" data-attributes="member: 18471"><p>Ask the ex-enron employees about 401k plans, yes your's may be better. Also you've mentioned "portability" but how many years do you have to be in before the companies match is vested. </p><p>Also I kind think the days of unions giving pension funds to the mob are pretty much over.</p><p>You mentioned how well you and your neighbors have it. A couple of them are engineers. As far as I know engineers, unless they run a locomotive are professionals and usually make much more than a "blue" (or brown) collar worker. I would think so if he can afford a $300K addition to his home.</p><p>I don't believe most union workers can afford that sort of thing. </p><p>You keep trying to compare yourself to the union worker. By your own identity you are "tieguy", maybe I'm wrong but I'm assuming you're in a management position. They traditionally are not union positions. Basically the only "professionals" that are in a union are teachers. Do you think many of them would "opt out" of their union?</p><p>You are really trying to compare your and your neighbors postions, (apples) to the working mans, rank and file. (oranges). There are no comparisons. Package car drivers, feeder drivers, loaders, mechanics, porters, etc that work for UPS are all involved in physical labor, yes there is a certain mental aspect to it, but overall that kind of work can be quantified by how many stops, miles, pm's, packages loaded, toilets cleaned, etc. </p><p> </p><p>Managements work can't be judged that way, other standards are used, granted packages delivered is the overall goal, but the building engineer is judged by wether everthing works that's supposed to. LP is judged by what isn't lost. Automotive managers are judged by breakdowns or lack there of. Sales people are judge by lead sold etc. </p><p> </p><p>You can't compare the two. </p><p>The original poster complained that the union was representing two non-union workers. I still have not gotten an answer as to whether or not non union individuals pay a representation fee? Usually this is the case, it is not as much as full dues, and they are not allowed to vote for stewards, etc.</p><p> </p><p>As to your comments about "inferior health care", consider yourself lucky that a: you haven,t suffered any severe illnesses. b: you haven't been a victim of malpractice. </p><p>I've experienced both, have had to wait long times in doctors offices, (do they do this intentionally, or just overbook?)</p><p> </p><p>Ask someone who's lost their job, and can't afford cobra payments about health care, and whether they might want socialized medicine. </p><p> </p><p>Although I'll grant you we have this huge work force around the health care industry, the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical companies, the lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies. </p><p> </p><p>Of course you don't have to go far to compare socialized medicine, just ask any Canadian about it. Maybe if you have to go to a specialist there may be waits and problems, but for the sniffles etc, I don't see them rushing across the border.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bluehdmc, post: 514575, member: 18471"] Ask the ex-enron employees about 401k plans, yes your's may be better. Also you've mentioned "portability" but how many years do you have to be in before the companies match is vested. Also I kind think the days of unions giving pension funds to the mob are pretty much over. You mentioned how well you and your neighbors have it. A couple of them are engineers. As far as I know engineers, unless they run a locomotive are professionals and usually make much more than a "blue" (or brown) collar worker. I would think so if he can afford a $300K addition to his home. I don't believe most union workers can afford that sort of thing. You keep trying to compare yourself to the union worker. By your own identity you are "tieguy", maybe I'm wrong but I'm assuming you're in a management position. They traditionally are not union positions. Basically the only "professionals" that are in a union are teachers. Do you think many of them would "opt out" of their union? You are really trying to compare your and your neighbors postions, (apples) to the working mans, rank and file. (oranges). There are no comparisons. Package car drivers, feeder drivers, loaders, mechanics, porters, etc that work for UPS are all involved in physical labor, yes there is a certain mental aspect to it, but overall that kind of work can be quantified by how many stops, miles, pm's, packages loaded, toilets cleaned, etc. Managements work can't be judged that way, other standards are used, granted packages delivered is the overall goal, but the building engineer is judged by wether everthing works that's supposed to. LP is judged by what isn't lost. Automotive managers are judged by breakdowns or lack there of. Sales people are judge by lead sold etc. You can't compare the two. The original poster complained that the union was representing two non-union workers. I still have not gotten an answer as to whether or not non union individuals pay a representation fee? Usually this is the case, it is not as much as full dues, and they are not allowed to vote for stewards, etc. As to your comments about "inferior health care", consider yourself lucky that a: you haven,t suffered any severe illnesses. b: you haven't been a victim of malpractice. I've experienced both, have had to wait long times in doctors offices, (do they do this intentionally, or just overbook?) Ask someone who's lost their job, and can't afford cobra payments about health care, and whether they might want socialized medicine. Although I'll grant you we have this huge work force around the health care industry, the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical companies, the lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies. Of course you don't have to go far to compare socialized medicine, just ask any Canadian about it. Maybe if you have to go to a specialist there may be waits and problems, but for the sniffles etc, I don't see them rushing across the border. [/QUOTE]
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