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<blockquote data-quote="BrownArmy" data-source="post: 1024128" data-attributes="member: 18225"><p>Oh, why not, here goes.</p><p></p><p>It's a fine and obviously preferable thing to quantify teacher effectiveness.</p><p></p><p>It's a whole 'nother kettle of fish to make those quantifications based on the measure of the reality these teachers are facing.</p><p></p><p>If you tie teacher effectiveness simply to standardized testing, that leaves out many parts of the equation, to name just a few:</p><p></p><p>Teachers are being 'quantified' based on overall testing that also includes learning-disabled children, ESL children, etc.</p><p></p><p>To just take the total measure of student test-scores is not a meaningfull number.</p><p></p><p>You may scoff about the 'poverty' argument that teachers are making vis-a-vis standardized testing scores, yet I find it perfectly rational. These teachers are being asked to make up the difference for so many other things which have nothing to do with education.</p><p>My wife works in the public school system in MA as a social worker...from your comments it's clear to me you simply have no realistic idea about the reality on the ground for teachers and students.</p><p></p><p>As well, one of the sticking points of the Chicago teacher's complaints is the push toward Charter schools, which, on balance, do just about the same as public schools (40% the same, 40% worse, 20% better).</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong, in the absence of an appropriate way to measure teacher effectiveness, I can see where folks would clamor about 'tightening down', etc. etc...(ahh, the somewhat Keystone Kops nature of Unions...I have no doubt that a bunch of teachers should likely be fired, and who would likely be fired without Union protection).</p><p></p><p>Yet, one of the striking-teachers' arguments (re: charter schools) is why in the world are you trying to railroad us out of our jobs to change the system to another, which, on balance, does about as good as we do?</p><p></p><p>(Unless it's about someone <em>else</em> getting paid, which is another conversation).</p><p></p><p>Hit me back, lulz.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownArmy, post: 1024128, member: 18225"] Oh, why not, here goes. It's a fine and obviously preferable thing to quantify teacher effectiveness. It's a whole 'nother kettle of fish to make those quantifications based on the measure of the reality these teachers are facing. If you tie teacher effectiveness simply to standardized testing, that leaves out many parts of the equation, to name just a few: Teachers are being 'quantified' based on overall testing that also includes learning-disabled children, ESL children, etc. To just take the total measure of student test-scores is not a meaningfull number. You may scoff about the 'poverty' argument that teachers are making vis-a-vis standardized testing scores, yet I find it perfectly rational. These teachers are being asked to make up the difference for so many other things which have nothing to do with education. My wife works in the public school system in MA as a social worker...from your comments it's clear to me you simply have no realistic idea about the reality on the ground for teachers and students. As well, one of the sticking points of the Chicago teacher's complaints is the push toward Charter schools, which, on balance, do just about the same as public schools (40% the same, 40% worse, 20% better). Don't get me wrong, in the absence of an appropriate way to measure teacher effectiveness, I can see where folks would clamor about 'tightening down', etc. etc...(ahh, the somewhat Keystone Kops nature of Unions...I have no doubt that a bunch of teachers should likely be fired, and who would likely be fired without Union protection). Yet, one of the striking-teachers' arguments (re: charter schools) is why in the world are you trying to railroad us out of our jobs to change the system to another, which, on balance, does about as good as we do? (Unless it's about someone [I]else[/I] getting paid, which is another conversation). Hit me back, lulz. [/QUOTE]
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