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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 317195" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Here's a Salon.com piece on the subject but a good point made by the article concerning the late Francis Schaeffer among other points.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100303232129/http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/17/wright/index.html" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20100303232129/http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/17/wright/index.html</a></p><p></p><p>From Frank Schaeffer about his own father:</p><p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html</a></p><p></p><p>Francis Schaeffer along with others like RJ Rushdooney and Gary North were the force behind Christian Reconstructionism of the late 70's and 1980's. I'm familar with these men because I too during that period held to reconstruction dogma but even though I hold many of thee views still as a personal matter, I no longer believe in advancing them by means of central gov't. Gary North, even now is very popular among anarcho-libertarians and Rothbardians/Austrian economic types as can be seen at Lew Rockwell.com and the Mises Institute site.</p><p></p><p>Yes, these men advocated overthrowing the gov't although Rushdooney and I had a conversation about 1984/85 and he wasn't as radical on the matter as Schaeffer and North but his goal in the end was the ultimate overthrow of the US gov't and a puritan/reformist theocracy installed in it's place. Again, I still hold many of these beliefs at a personal level but my libertarianism easily checks any agressive/forceful means at the door when the issue goes beyond me personally. I can let you see me and how I live (call it witness if you will) but I can't force you and visa-versa.</p><p></p><p>Now how dd I or the other early Christian right that helped began republican reign in Washington differ so much from Rev. Wright. In truth we didn't. What Wright has said from the pulpit has also been said by others. as the Salon piece pointed out, even from the well of Congress by a highly respected Republican legislator. Where are the hues and cries for his head? Back when the gov't raided a Baptist church school in Nebraska in the 80's and various other actions across the country, I heard fiery oratory from the pulpits of American churches that were of the same vein as what was heard in the 1770's. And I'm talking from mainstream denominations, not some radical nutjobs in the forests of Idaho.</p><p></p><p>What Wright said may have been distasteful and beyond the pale but at least in my case, as a white guy, maybe I don't have the same perspective and that's very true. However, Wright's comments about 9/11 and the "chickens coming home to roost" may have a bit of a point. When you look at our foreign policy, especially since WW1 in the Middle East region, it's not hard to IMO to see where Ron Paul's point about "blowback" is a kinda "Chickens coming home to roost." Now I don't think Paul or myself took the pleasure in saying it as Wright appeared to but I still can understand the point at least from a historical perspective as our gov't asserted policy is considered.</p><p></p><p>Brett,</p><p></p><p>If you want to throw rocks at Obama, throw away but as long as you do so outside the bounds of real issues and actual policy which is where the American conservative movement got away from and off course, don't be shocked when I take the contraian position and throw rocks back at you. If "WE" can't beat them in the arena of ideas and vision, then IMO "WE" don't belong on the stage at all!</p><p></p><p>JMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 317195, member: 2189"] Here's a Salon.com piece on the subject but a good point made by the article concerning the late Francis Schaeffer among other points. [URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20100303232129/http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/17/wright/index.html[/URL] From Frank Schaeffer about his own father: [URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html[/URL] Francis Schaeffer along with others like RJ Rushdooney and Gary North were the force behind Christian Reconstructionism of the late 70's and 1980's. I'm familar with these men because I too during that period held to reconstruction dogma but even though I hold many of thee views still as a personal matter, I no longer believe in advancing them by means of central gov't. Gary North, even now is very popular among anarcho-libertarians and Rothbardians/Austrian economic types as can be seen at Lew Rockwell.com and the Mises Institute site. Yes, these men advocated overthrowing the gov't although Rushdooney and I had a conversation about 1984/85 and he wasn't as radical on the matter as Schaeffer and North but his goal in the end was the ultimate overthrow of the US gov't and a puritan/reformist theocracy installed in it's place. Again, I still hold many of these beliefs at a personal level but my libertarianism easily checks any agressive/forceful means at the door when the issue goes beyond me personally. I can let you see me and how I live (call it witness if you will) but I can't force you and visa-versa. Now how dd I or the other early Christian right that helped began republican reign in Washington differ so much from Rev. Wright. In truth we didn't. What Wright has said from the pulpit has also been said by others. as the Salon piece pointed out, even from the well of Congress by a highly respected Republican legislator. Where are the hues and cries for his head? Back when the gov't raided a Baptist church school in Nebraska in the 80's and various other actions across the country, I heard fiery oratory from the pulpits of American churches that were of the same vein as what was heard in the 1770's. And I'm talking from mainstream denominations, not some radical nutjobs in the forests of Idaho. What Wright said may have been distasteful and beyond the pale but at least in my case, as a white guy, maybe I don't have the same perspective and that's very true. However, Wright's comments about 9/11 and the "chickens coming home to roost" may have a bit of a point. When you look at our foreign policy, especially since WW1 in the Middle East region, it's not hard to IMO to see where Ron Paul's point about "blowback" is a kinda "Chickens coming home to roost." Now I don't think Paul or myself took the pleasure in saying it as Wright appeared to but I still can understand the point at least from a historical perspective as our gov't asserted policy is considered. Brett, If you want to throw rocks at Obama, throw away but as long as you do so outside the bounds of real issues and actual policy which is where the American conservative movement got away from and off course, don't be shocked when I take the contraian position and throw rocks back at you. If "WE" can't beat them in the arena of ideas and vision, then IMO "WE" don't belong on the stage at all! JMHO [/QUOTE]
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