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<blockquote data-quote="BrownShark" data-source="post: 327738" data-attributes="member: 12148"><p>More BOOT,</p><p></p><p><strong>Since the beginning of the Iraq war, 69 U.S. service members have been charged in connection with Iraqi civilian deaths, and 31 have been convicted of a crime, according to data compiled by The Washington Post.</strong></p><p></p><p>Murphy, who has been investigated for one such shooting, testified that snipers in the unit at times felt that they should consider placing some of the classified materials on dead bodies to legitimize shootings that they thought might draw scrutiny. While the unit felt pressure for more kills, it also felt pressure to make them all seem ironclad.</p><p>The materials reached the "painted demons" platoon of the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, in January, after members of the Asymmetric Warfare Group suggested using them. Officers described the program, in unclassified statements obtained by The Post, as involving the placement of the items in insurgent areas and killing those who picked them up.</p><p>The Asymmetric Warfare Group is modeled after the Army's secretive Delta Force and grew out of a decision by Army leaders in 2003 to seek new ways to counter insurgents' use of roadside bombs, snipers and suicide bombs. The group is classified by the Army as a Special Mission Unit and was formally established in January 2006.</p><p>The teams, similar to the small, Special Forces A-teams, circulate among military battalions in Iraq, where they teach new counterinsurgency tactics. A more overarching goal of the Asymmetric Warfare Group is to act as a catalyst "to change the way the Army thinks," said one Special Forces officer familiar with the group. It also analyzes new threats, generates new tactics, and identifies gaps in capabilities and equipment, according to the Army.</p><p>Retired Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Romig, a former judge advocate general for the Army, said the group's baiting program, as described publicly, opens up the possibility for indiscriminate shootings -- based on little information -- that could lead to the death of scavengers or curious passersby. He said that when troops kill civilians by mistake, it can harm the war effort.</p><p>"In those cases where there are lots of questions, sometimes shooting is not the right answer, because it has a huge potential for being indiscriminate," said Romig, now dean of the Washburn University School of Law in Kansas. "When guidance becomes fuzzy and the response is 'When in doubt, shoot,' then we have problems."</p><p>Army Maj. Gen. Richard Sherlock, director of operational planning for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a Pentagon briefing yesterday that he would not discuss the sniper case, but he noted that U.S. soldiers are not trained to kill indiscriminately. "The laws of land warfare do not include engaging someone simply for picking something up on the battlefield," Sherlock said.</p><p></p><p>Peace<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownShark, post: 327738, member: 12148"] More BOOT, [B]Since the beginning of the Iraq war, 69 U.S. service members have been charged in connection with Iraqi civilian deaths, and 31 have been convicted of a crime, according to data compiled by The Washington Post.[/B] Murphy, who has been investigated for one such shooting, testified that snipers in the unit at times felt that they should consider placing some of the classified materials on dead bodies to legitimize shootings that they thought might draw scrutiny. While the unit felt pressure for more kills, it also felt pressure to make them all seem ironclad. The materials reached the "painted demons" platoon of the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, in January, after members of the Asymmetric Warfare Group suggested using them. Officers described the program, in unclassified statements obtained by The Post, as involving the placement of the items in insurgent areas and killing those who picked them up. The Asymmetric Warfare Group is modeled after the Army's secretive Delta Force and grew out of a decision by Army leaders in 2003 to seek new ways to counter insurgents' use of roadside bombs, snipers and suicide bombs. The group is classified by the Army as a Special Mission Unit and was formally established in January 2006. The teams, similar to the small, Special Forces A-teams, circulate among military battalions in Iraq, where they teach new counterinsurgency tactics. A more overarching goal of the Asymmetric Warfare Group is to act as a catalyst "to change the way the Army thinks," said one Special Forces officer familiar with the group. It also analyzes new threats, generates new tactics, and identifies gaps in capabilities and equipment, according to the Army. Retired Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Romig, a former judge advocate general for the Army, said the group's baiting program, as described publicly, opens up the possibility for indiscriminate shootings -- based on little information -- that could lead to the death of scavengers or curious passersby. He said that when troops kill civilians by mistake, it can harm the war effort. "In those cases where there are lots of questions, sometimes shooting is not the right answer, because it has a huge potential for being indiscriminate," said Romig, now dean of the Washburn University School of Law in Kansas. "When guidance becomes fuzzy and the response is 'When in doubt, shoot,' then we have problems." Army Maj. Gen. Richard Sherlock, director of operational planning for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a Pentagon briefing yesterday that he would not discuss the sniper case, but he noted that U.S. soldiers are not trained to kill indiscriminately. "The laws of land warfare do not include engaging someone simply for picking something up on the battlefield," Sherlock said. Peace:peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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