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<blockquote data-quote="BrownShark" data-source="post: 328380" data-attributes="member: 12148"><p>Tourist,</p><p> </p><p>you posted:</p><p></p><p> </p><p>These are exactly the talking points of Rush Limbaugh everyday that he is on the radio. Its called the "STRAWMAN" defense.</p><p> </p><p>Pres Bush uses the same tactics all the time.. The old, "if your not with us your against us" routine.</p><p> </p><p>Listen, this is the United States of America. By saying that, I employ the most powerful document in the history of the world.</p><p> </p><p>The Constitution.</p><p> </p><p>THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION that sez I must agree with all the president of the United States sez or does.</p><p> </p><p>Indeed, what makes this country great is in fact DISSENTION.</p><p> </p><p>Otherwise, we would not have a democracy but a dictatorship.</p><p> </p><p>Many of our founding fathers had this debate many years ago for those people who believe they must follow the actions of the president like a fresh born puppy oblivious to the world.</p><p> </p><p>Thomas Jefferson said:</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Teddy Roosevelt said:</p><p>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]<span style="font-size: 12px"><B></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">If only you Rush listeners would understand the hyperbole you are sold each and every day, you would be able to distinquish between patriotism and loyalty.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The strawman defense is a simple trick that "forces" you to take the side of the speaker because the alternative leaves you in a bad position.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">There is no option given that can satisfy a desending opinon.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Therefore, the arguement is won based on the lack of reasonable difference. People need to learn the tactics of the right winged media and the use of the strawman on the american people.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">For me, this is a great country, and I think the mere asking of the question is silly. Rush uses this same question every day on his radio program.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Power corrupts, but absolute power absolutely corrupts the people in charge.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Attacking a fellow citizens patriotism is no different than the germans attacking fellow germans who helped the jews escape germany.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The soldiers in Iraq arent fighting to protect the constitution, it was never attacked by Iraq or threatened. No iraqi with a turban (as quoted) is considering coming to america and kiling anyone.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">My free speech is protected by LAW and LAW only.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The founding fathers gave me this right, and NO SOLDIER can take it away.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">My opinion is protected speech, as well as everyone else on this blog.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">I am sick of hearing about soldiers fighting in iraq to protect my free speech, however, my speech isnt under attack from terrorists, it under attack by republicans.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The only thing defending my right to free speech is called the LAW of the land.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Its time to respect this right.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">I respect everyones opinion on this blog, and I debate all comers.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">This is the problem with america today. The republicans have divided this country into two parts.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">They continue to drive the wedge between the parties in order to try and maintain power. RUSH himself declares that there needs to be PARTISANSHIP in politics and he disagrees with BI-PARTISAN cooperation.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Why do you think this is???</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Its so those who are the most gulible of americans continue to believe the message of "those people", "you people" which is the true Elitest mentality.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Rush uses the terms: you people, those people all day long over and over, and yet, posters here use the same terms on this blog without knowing they have been brainwashed.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The terms YOU PEOPLE and THOSE PEOPLE are separation terms intending on insuring subconcious distintions. Then, those who are listeners will separate themselves from those who are on the opposite side of the strawman.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Its all brainwashing folks.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Try loving your country and accepting the good and the bad. </span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Praise the good and call out the Bad.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">This is the American way.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Peace<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownShark, post: 328380, member: 12148"] Tourist, you posted: These are exactly the talking points of Rush Limbaugh everyday that he is on the radio. Its called the "STRAWMAN" defense. Pres Bush uses the same tactics all the time.. The old, "if your not with us your against us" routine. Listen, this is the United States of America. By saying that, I employ the most powerful document in the history of the world. The Constitution. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION that sez I must agree with all the president of the United States sez or does. Indeed, what makes this country great is in fact DISSENTION. Otherwise, we would not have a democracy but a dictatorship. Many of our founding fathers had this debate many years ago for those people who believe they must follow the actions of the president like a fresh born puppy oblivious to the world. Thomas Jefferson said: Teddy Roosevelt said: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=3]<B>[I][/I] If only you Rush listeners would understand the hyperbole you are sold each and every day, you would be able to distinquish between patriotism and loyalty. The strawman defense is a simple trick that "forces" you to take the side of the speaker because the alternative leaves you in a bad position. There is no option given that can satisfy a desending opinon. Therefore, the arguement is won based on the lack of reasonable difference. People need to learn the tactics of the right winged media and the use of the strawman on the american people. For me, this is a great country, and I think the mere asking of the question is silly. Rush uses this same question every day on his radio program. Power corrupts, but absolute power absolutely corrupts the people in charge. Attacking a fellow citizens patriotism is no different than the germans attacking fellow germans who helped the jews escape germany. The soldiers in Iraq arent fighting to protect the constitution, it was never attacked by Iraq or threatened. No iraqi with a turban (as quoted) is considering coming to america and kiling anyone. My free speech is protected by LAW and LAW only. The founding fathers gave me this right, and NO SOLDIER can take it away. My opinion is protected speech, as well as everyone else on this blog. I am sick of hearing about soldiers fighting in iraq to protect my free speech, however, my speech isnt under attack from terrorists, it under attack by republicans. The only thing defending my right to free speech is called the LAW of the land. Its time to respect this right. I respect everyones opinion on this blog, and I debate all comers. This is the problem with america today. The republicans have divided this country into two parts. They continue to drive the wedge between the parties in order to try and maintain power. RUSH himself declares that there needs to be PARTISANSHIP in politics and he disagrees with BI-PARTISAN cooperation. Why do you think this is??? Its so those who are the most gulible of americans continue to believe the message of "those people", "you people" which is the true Elitest mentality. Rush uses the terms: you people, those people all day long over and over, and yet, posters here use the same terms on this blog without knowing they have been brainwashed. The terms YOU PEOPLE and THOSE PEOPLE are separation terms intending on insuring subconcious distintions. Then, those who are listeners will separate themselves from those who are on the opposite side of the strawman. Its all brainwashing folks. Try loving your country and accepting the good and the bad. Praise the good and call out the Bad. This is the American way. Peace:peaceful: [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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