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<blockquote data-quote="BrownShark" data-source="post: 329371" data-attributes="member: 12148"><p>Hey Boot,</p><p></p><p>I am having having trouble with your every changing argument. <strong>YOU</strong> said that <strong>"I"</strong> falsely accused the marines of murder. That was false. All marines involved in the Haditha slayings was CHARGED with murder. My point made.</p><p></p><p>You then argued that they were <strong>"cleared"</strong> of murder charges. That is also false. They were not<strong> "cleared"</strong> of <strong>murder charges</strong>. My point has been made.</p><p></p><p>Of the marines charged with murder, each has an attorney, each has a defense, its was called <strong>"pleading gulity", "admitting cupability"</strong> and <strong>"admitting in the participation of a rampage against innocent iraqi civilians".</strong></p><p></p><p>Then, and only then, would they recieve full <strong>IMMUNITY</strong> against the charge of murder from the prosecutor.</p><p></p><p>This is the<strong> CASE</strong>. These admissions make them <strong>GUILTY</strong> and not <strong>CLEARED </strong>as you state.</p><p></p><p>They are <strong>GUILTY</strong> but wont face charges for the crimes <strong>THEY COMMITTED</strong>.</p><p></p><p>I realize that understanding this dynamic may exceed your ability to look beyond the marine code, but they are facts nonetheless.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, we were not speaking about the judge in the case. it matters not what <strong>"HIS"</strong> opinion is. <strong>YOU </strong>said there was no baiting program going on in iraqi. This is also false.</p><p></p><p>While never officially confirmed by the defense department and those commanders involved, its takes a pure idiot to disbelieve those marines and soldiers involved in these shootings were not under <strong>"ORDERS"</strong> to commit these acts of indecency.</p><p></p><p>Testimony in each case sez so. They cannot be all liars coming from different parts of iraq and having no knowledge of each other.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is NOT LEGAL, and is a war crime.</p><p></p><p>Lucky for our troops that former VICEROY Paul Bremer gave our troops immunity from Iraqi law and they cannot be punished by the Iraqi goverment. However, they can still be charged with war crimes by the International War Crimes Tribunal which does not recognize the action of Paul Bremer nor the laws of the United States.</p><p></p><p>Currently, there are several charges of war crimes filed against the United States, its leaders, its commanders and military personnel for actions in Iraq, this to take place in Germany. (our allie)</p><p></p><p>What comes of these charges only time will tell.</p><p></p><p>You having the belief that baiting an unarmed iraqi and shooting him merely for picking up something we intentionally left on the ground in a country destroyed by war is disgusting.</p><p></p><p>You having the belief that marine vela was cleared because he did not murder a man with his sniper rifle and he used his pistol while following an order, even when this man presented to harm to the marines is pure <strong>COWARDESS</strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This would be generally the truth and the position of all persons who view war, unfortunately for the marines, it appears those killed are only carrying the weapons after they have been killed and the gun planted on them for a better photograph.</p><p></p><p>There is an old saying, "better to appear as an idiot, then open your mouth and confirm it". You should embrace this principle.</p><p></p><p>Its a shame that these action occur in the first place. I want to see NO MILITARY man or women put in these situations...EVER.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, politics means more than justice. Higher body counts of dead terrorists means more to this administrations agenda than peace.</p><p></p><p>To guys like you, anyone in Iraq is the enemy. So, shooting any Iraqi can be converted to killing a terrorist. This is the problem with an UNDEFINED enemy.</p><p></p><p>Paul Bremer made it a law that each iraqi family could have a AK 47 in their home for protection.</p><p></p><p>Then, in each case of a homocide, the first thing that is said is that an AK47 was found at the scene.</p><p></p><p>The marines have clearly established a practice of carrying around AK47's along with their Iraqi soldier commrades so theres always one around when they need one. (sarcasm)</p><p></p><p>Now Boot, I understand that this whole process is tough on everyone, and not all of us as Americans are going to agree all the time on all issues, but man, dont stick your neck out for guys who are criminals amongst your ranks.</p><p></p><p>The stain on our military is large enough already.</p><p></p><p>I will not engage you in hair splitting or even better yet, APOLOGIZING to admitted murderer's.</p><p></p><p>Dont hold your breathe on that one.</p><p></p><p>The issue of military crimes against the Iraqi people will be one hill you will never see the top of.</p><p></p><p>Peace.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownShark, post: 329371, member: 12148"] Hey Boot, I am having having trouble with your every changing argument. [B]YOU[/B] said that [B]"I"[/B] falsely accused the marines of murder. That was false. All marines involved in the Haditha slayings was CHARGED with murder. My point made. You then argued that they were [B]"cleared"[/B] of murder charges. That is also false. They were not[B] "cleared"[/B] of [B]murder charges[/B]. My point has been made. Of the marines charged with murder, each has an attorney, each has a defense, its was called [B]"pleading gulity", "admitting cupability"[/B] and [B]"admitting in the participation of a rampage against innocent iraqi civilians".[/B] Then, and only then, would they recieve full [B]IMMUNITY[/B] against the charge of murder from the prosecutor. This is the[B] CASE[/B]. These admissions make them [B]GUILTY[/B] and not [B]CLEARED [/B]as you state. They are [B]GUILTY[/B] but wont face charges for the crimes [B]THEY COMMITTED[/B]. I realize that understanding this dynamic may exceed your ability to look beyond the marine code, but they are facts nonetheless. Additionally, we were not speaking about the judge in the case. it matters not what [B]"HIS"[/B] opinion is. [B]YOU [/B]said there was no baiting program going on in iraqi. This is also false. While never officially confirmed by the defense department and those commanders involved, its takes a pure idiot to disbelieve those marines and soldiers involved in these shootings were not under [B]"ORDERS"[/B] to commit these acts of indecency. Testimony in each case sez so. They cannot be all liars coming from different parts of iraq and having no knowledge of each other. This is NOT LEGAL, and is a war crime. Lucky for our troops that former VICEROY Paul Bremer gave our troops immunity from Iraqi law and they cannot be punished by the Iraqi goverment. However, they can still be charged with war crimes by the International War Crimes Tribunal which does not recognize the action of Paul Bremer nor the laws of the United States. Currently, there are several charges of war crimes filed against the United States, its leaders, its commanders and military personnel for actions in Iraq, this to take place in Germany. (our allie) What comes of these charges only time will tell. You having the belief that baiting an unarmed iraqi and shooting him merely for picking up something we intentionally left on the ground in a country destroyed by war is disgusting. You having the belief that marine vela was cleared because he did not murder a man with his sniper rifle and he used his pistol while following an order, even when this man presented to harm to the marines is pure [B]COWARDESS[/B]. This would be generally the truth and the position of all persons who view war, unfortunately for the marines, it appears those killed are only carrying the weapons after they have been killed and the gun planted on them for a better photograph. There is an old saying, "better to appear as an idiot, then open your mouth and confirm it". You should embrace this principle. Its a shame that these action occur in the first place. I want to see NO MILITARY man or women put in these situations...EVER. Unfortunately, politics means more than justice. Higher body counts of dead terrorists means more to this administrations agenda than peace. To guys like you, anyone in Iraq is the enemy. So, shooting any Iraqi can be converted to killing a terrorist. This is the problem with an UNDEFINED enemy. Paul Bremer made it a law that each iraqi family could have a AK 47 in their home for protection. Then, in each case of a homocide, the first thing that is said is that an AK47 was found at the scene. The marines have clearly established a practice of carrying around AK47's along with their Iraqi soldier commrades so theres always one around when they need one. (sarcasm) Now Boot, I understand that this whole process is tough on everyone, and not all of us as Americans are going to agree all the time on all issues, but man, dont stick your neck out for guys who are criminals amongst your ranks. The stain on our military is large enough already. I will not engage you in hair splitting or even better yet, APOLOGIZING to admitted murderer's. Dont hold your breathe on that one. The issue of military crimes against the Iraqi people will be one hill you will never see the top of. Peace.:peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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