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<blockquote data-quote="doolittle95" data-source="post: 258780" data-attributes="member: 11844"><p><span style="color: red">You wrote the following:</span> I will vote based on what I feel works best. I have my doubts about gaining anything if these same people go back to the bargaining table. I don't think they'll be all that motivated to change anything. Whatever my vote ends up being I am equally concerned it won't turn out the way I hope. <span style="color: #ff0000">Sounds a bit hopeless to me. You also wrote: </span><span style="color: #000000">I think the instability of the pension has made this a very difficult contract for us... we're kind of damned if we do and damned if we don't.</span><span style="color: red"> Again, a bit hopeless. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">As to where I came from? It's called The Fence which is apparantly where u still take up residence. The insertation (yes thats a word, ask GWB) into your quote was an unitentional misuse of the multi-quote function, which speaks to my inexperience in these forums. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">As to my "doing nothing more than to make it seem like you've said things you haven't", Well u did write the following: <span style="color: #000000">Am I concerned about split raises, raises being lower than last contract and a portion of each raise possibly being taken and put toward the pension? Nope.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000">-- I think top pay at UPS is quite sufficient and any raise is a good raise considering the economic landscape we live in (compared to other businesses). <span style="color: red">The economic landscape we live in is one in which our employer makes a billion dollars profit per quarter! I don't want to "assume" too much here but if you were a packge car driver like myself I think you would feel differently about this. We <strong>earn</strong> every penny we get from UPS. <em>Most</em> of the loaders in the AM earn every penny they get. what is it that u do here anyhow that u feel top pay is so "sufficient"? </span>I'm not crazy about part of the raise being put toward the pension, I like money as much as the next person, but if it is going with the specific purpose of securing the pension then I can live with it. </span><span style="color: red">As I pointed out in my original response, this new pension proposal only "fixes" things for UPS and CS fund-to a much lesser degree as it is only a short term fix. Unless one has hundreds of thousands in UPS stock and/or plans to retire within five years it fixes nothing. Everything else i wrote highlighted the incredibly insulting concessions and poorly written changes to the contract. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: red">Finally, my points were posed-in part-as somewhat rhetorical questions. So how will u answer them? You've had plenty of time to review and understand the proposed deal. The ballots are on the way. How will u respond? It is time to come off the Fence Damok! Where do u stand?!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Thank u for the breathing techniques, fortunately i have today and all next week off to practice them. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" /></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doolittle95, post: 258780, member: 11844"] [COLOR=red]You wrote the following:[/COLOR] I will vote based on what I feel works best. I have my doubts about gaining anything if these same people go back to the bargaining table. I don't think they'll be all that motivated to change anything. Whatever my vote ends up being I am equally concerned it won't turn out the way I hope. [COLOR=#ff0000]Sounds a bit hopeless to me. You also wrote: [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]I think the instability of the pension has made this a very difficult contract for us... we're kind of damned if we do and damned if we don't.[/COLOR][COLOR=red] Again, a bit hopeless. [/COLOR] [COLOR=red]As to where I came from? It's called The Fence which is apparantly where u still take up residence. The insertation (yes thats a word, ask GWB) into your quote was an unitentional misuse of the multi-quote function, which speaks to my inexperience in these forums. [/COLOR] [COLOR=red]As to my "doing nothing more than to make it seem like you've said things you haven't", Well u did write the following: [COLOR=#000000]Am I concerned about split raises, raises being lower than last contract and a portion of each raise possibly being taken and put toward the pension? Nope. -- I think top pay at UPS is quite sufficient and any raise is a good raise considering the economic landscape we live in (compared to other businesses). [COLOR=red]The economic landscape we live in is one in which our employer makes a billion dollars profit per quarter! I don't want to "assume" too much here but if you were a packge car driver like myself I think you would feel differently about this. We [B]earn[/B] every penny we get from UPS. [I]Most[/I] of the loaders in the AM earn every penny they get. what is it that u do here anyhow that u feel top pay is so "sufficient"? [/COLOR]I'm not crazy about part of the raise being put toward the pension, I like money as much as the next person, but if it is going with the specific purpose of securing the pension then I can live with it. [/COLOR][COLOR=red]As I pointed out in my original response, this new pension proposal only "fixes" things for UPS and CS fund-to a much lesser degree as it is only a short term fix. Unless one has hundreds of thousands in UPS stock and/or plans to retire within five years it fixes nothing. Everything else i wrote highlighted the incredibly insulting concessions and poorly written changes to the contract. [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][COLOR=red]Finally, my points were posed-in part-as somewhat rhetorical questions. So how will u answer them? You've had plenty of time to review and understand the proposed deal. The ballots are on the way. How will u respond? It is time to come off the Fence Damok! Where do u stand?![/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]Thank u for the breathing techniques, fortunately i have today and all next week off to practice them. :thumbup1:[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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