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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 944647" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>But if free marketeers did go south, it still leaves a local market for micro producers to fill the void. The current market you are locked into limits the entry points so when your ideal of free marketeer goes to the coast, your scenario comes to past. The other part of your scenario is that your free marketeers only got the way they did because of state privilege and state subsidy about on the scale to make even a welfare queen blush. Remove all of that and the creation of false markets and public subsidy of them would disappear and then the most cost effective use of products would be more local in practical terms. You might take a product off shore but without the various subsidy up and down the cost/risk line, the net profits are much smaller so just on profits, the majority of production would stay home.</p><p></p><p>Think what if the oil companies had to absorb all the risks of extracting oil out of the Middle East and there was no US gov't paying off local govt's through foreign aid and no US Military keeping the peace and transit lanes open? What then? The other question becomes, what would the real cost of a gallon of gas be then? And the next question, how much does a gallon of gas cost in real dollars when you factor in the public subsidized portions?</p><p></p><p>Answer to the 2nd question: It's <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=true+cost+of+a+gallon+of+gasoline&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">true per gallon cost</span></a> is $6 on the low side to $15 on the high, depends on the source of the figure. The $15 includes the cost of subsidizing as it relates to the environmental costs (you think BP footed the entire bill of the Deepwater spill?). The $6 is towards the basics like shifting certain risk factors onto the public and military/foreign policy related protections. Talk with policy wonks and they consider this a public investment towards tax revs. ends but other studies suggest we taxpayers are coming out on the short side of the stick no matter how you slice and dice it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 944647, member: 2189"] But if free marketeers did go south, it still leaves a local market for micro producers to fill the void. The current market you are locked into limits the entry points so when your ideal of free marketeer goes to the coast, your scenario comes to past. The other part of your scenario is that your free marketeers only got the way they did because of state privilege and state subsidy about on the scale to make even a welfare queen blush. Remove all of that and the creation of false markets and public subsidy of them would disappear and then the most cost effective use of products would be more local in practical terms. You might take a product off shore but without the various subsidy up and down the cost/risk line, the net profits are much smaller so just on profits, the majority of production would stay home. Think what if the oil companies had to absorb all the risks of extracting oil out of the Middle East and there was no US gov't paying off local govt's through foreign aid and no US Military keeping the peace and transit lanes open? What then? The other question becomes, what would the real cost of a gallon of gas be then? And the next question, how much does a gallon of gas cost in real dollars when you factor in the public subsidized portions? Answer to the 2nd question: It's [URL="http://www.google.com/search?q=true+cost+of+a+gallon+of+gasoline&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a"][COLOR=#ff0000]true per gallon cost[/COLOR][/URL] is $6 on the low side to $15 on the high, depends on the source of the figure. The $15 includes the cost of subsidizing as it relates to the environmental costs (you think BP footed the entire bill of the Deepwater spill?). The $6 is towards the basics like shifting certain risk factors onto the public and military/foreign policy related protections. Talk with policy wonks and they consider this a public investment towards tax revs. ends but other studies suggest we taxpayers are coming out on the short side of the stick no matter how you slice and dice it. [/QUOTE]
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