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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 249560" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Holiday is a contraction of the words Holy and Day which described a day set aside from the normal daily activities of life for a day of rest and religious observances. In our modern age, holiday both represents the divine as well as the secular.</p><p> </p><p>Halloween has it's European roots in 2 similar religious customs. Samhain as it was known among the Celtic pagans of pre-Christian Scotland and Ireland was celebrated as the New Year and is best known for it's links with the spooks and spirits that we've come to focus on in our modern world. In their day, these traditions had a much more direct religious importance and was celebrated . The time period of this celebration had to do with the Harvest moon but to our modern calendar it would be Oct. 29th to Nov. 2nd.</p><p> </p><p>Among the Norse people of the pre-Christian era it was called WinterNights and shared many of the same traditions including the dates but the spooks and goblins didn't seem as strong or at least to me it seemed that way.</p><p> </p><p>Once these European areas came under Roman religious control, the older pagan beliefs were "Christianized" in order to dissolve the older religious beliefs in the hope that Christian thought and practice would prevail. </p><p> </p><p>Thanksgiving has a European and Mideastern origin associated with harvest festivals. In the anglo-saxon, the word haerfest which means autumn was the term used to mean harvest festival so to speak. It has pre-christian roots and like Sukkot, it also thanked the gods (pre-christian europe was not monotheistic) for a good harvest. Once Christianity came on the scene it was christianized but did maintain some old pagan traditions alongside the new but the overall idea was the same except now it was one god instead of many. The mideast connection is to the old testament Feast of Tabernacles and/or Feast of Booths and in the hebrew was known as Sukkot. The purpose being of thanking god for a bountiful harvest. Even the 5th century BCE greeks have a connection with the corbucopia or horn of plenty as some call it.</p><p> </p><p>Christmas has both pagan European, Babylonian and Persian connections and even some Egyptian rites have connection as this time of year of the winter solitice held special play in some societies through time. Saturnalia among other names was it's name during a time and it's rites and practices pre-date by centuries if not millenia the birth of Christ. The fact is, christ actual birthdate is unknown and our current observance was picked by committee in effect and was so done to surplant pre-christian customs among conquered populations.</p><p> </p><p>Easter is another non-christian custom with roots mostly among the Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians and even Europeans to a lesser extent. The reason easter as does passover move around has to do with using the lunar movements to make the time. Isreal once it left Egypt adopted a solar based calendar which pretty much resembled our modern day one with 365 days. However in 500 BC, the remnants of old Isreal returning from the babylonian capativity had adopted the babylonian lunar calendar which only has 354 days and every 5 years (don't hold me to this as I'm operating from memory) they added a 13th month in the same was as we add an extra day to February to keep out calendar current. In old Israel the first month of the year was known as Abib and if you'll read Ezeriah on Nehemiah (again memory here) the first month is now called Nissan as it was during this time the folks returned to Jerusalem by the favor of the Persian Xxeres. </p><p> </p><p>It's is ironic that in Christiandom we talked about Jesus being executed (I call it exactly what it was, it was a political execution for the crime of sedition) on the Friday before Passover but then look at how often Easter falls exactly on the same timeframe as the jewish Passover? Not often enough to sell me on the idea although I do not question the event at all but only the specific day on which we told to celbrate the event. </p><p> </p><p>Holidays are manmade ideas and creations and many with noble ideas behind them or in some cases to be silly and act childlike for a moment. I always find it of interest when so-called good Godly people stand up and oppose ideas like Halloween or whatever but then if you look deeper into them you'll also find they practice as many pagan customs if not more than the folks who done costumes on Halloween but hide this fact by just calling the custom under a Christianized name. I still think St. Valentine's Day should revert back to it's Roman origins when it was called Cupid's Day and the custom was open orgies in the streets for all good Romans!</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p> </p><p>BTW: Are you aware that among the Pilgrim colony at Plymouth that the practice of Christmas was forbidden! What would UPS be today had that opinion held sway?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 249560, member: 2189"] Holiday is a contraction of the words Holy and Day which described a day set aside from the normal daily activities of life for a day of rest and religious observances. In our modern age, holiday both represents the divine as well as the secular. Halloween has it's European roots in 2 similar religious customs. Samhain as it was known among the Celtic pagans of pre-Christian Scotland and Ireland was celebrated as the New Year and is best known for it's links with the spooks and spirits that we've come to focus on in our modern world. In their day, these traditions had a much more direct religious importance and was celebrated . The time period of this celebration had to do with the Harvest moon but to our modern calendar it would be Oct. 29th to Nov. 2nd. Among the Norse people of the pre-Christian era it was called WinterNights and shared many of the same traditions including the dates but the spooks and goblins didn't seem as strong or at least to me it seemed that way. Once these European areas came under Roman religious control, the older pagan beliefs were "Christianized" in order to dissolve the older religious beliefs in the hope that Christian thought and practice would prevail. Thanksgiving has a European and Mideastern origin associated with harvest festivals. In the anglo-saxon, the word haerfest which means autumn was the term used to mean harvest festival so to speak. It has pre-christian roots and like Sukkot, it also thanked the gods (pre-christian europe was not monotheistic) for a good harvest. Once Christianity came on the scene it was christianized but did maintain some old pagan traditions alongside the new but the overall idea was the same except now it was one god instead of many. The mideast connection is to the old testament Feast of Tabernacles and/or Feast of Booths and in the hebrew was known as Sukkot. The purpose being of thanking god for a bountiful harvest. Even the 5th century BCE greeks have a connection with the corbucopia or horn of plenty as some call it. Christmas has both pagan European, Babylonian and Persian connections and even some Egyptian rites have connection as this time of year of the winter solitice held special play in some societies through time. Saturnalia among other names was it's name during a time and it's rites and practices pre-date by centuries if not millenia the birth of Christ. The fact is, christ actual birthdate is unknown and our current observance was picked by committee in effect and was so done to surplant pre-christian customs among conquered populations. Easter is another non-christian custom with roots mostly among the Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians and even Europeans to a lesser extent. The reason easter as does passover move around has to do with using the lunar movements to make the time. Isreal once it left Egypt adopted a solar based calendar which pretty much resembled our modern day one with 365 days. However in 500 BC, the remnants of old Isreal returning from the babylonian capativity had adopted the babylonian lunar calendar which only has 354 days and every 5 years (don't hold me to this as I'm operating from memory) they added a 13th month in the same was as we add an extra day to February to keep out calendar current. In old Israel the first month of the year was known as Abib and if you'll read Ezeriah on Nehemiah (again memory here) the first month is now called Nissan as it was during this time the folks returned to Jerusalem by the favor of the Persian Xxeres. It's is ironic that in Christiandom we talked about Jesus being executed (I call it exactly what it was, it was a political execution for the crime of sedition) on the Friday before Passover but then look at how often Easter falls exactly on the same timeframe as the jewish Passover? Not often enough to sell me on the idea although I do not question the event at all but only the specific day on which we told to celbrate the event. Holidays are manmade ideas and creations and many with noble ideas behind them or in some cases to be silly and act childlike for a moment. I always find it of interest when so-called good Godly people stand up and oppose ideas like Halloween or whatever but then if you look deeper into them you'll also find they practice as many pagan customs if not more than the folks who done costumes on Halloween but hide this fact by just calling the custom under a Christianized name. I still think St. Valentine's Day should revert back to it's Roman origins when it was called Cupid's Day and the custom was open orgies in the streets for all good Romans! :thumbup1::lol: BTW: Are you aware that among the Pilgrim colony at Plymouth that the practice of Christmas was forbidden! What would UPS be today had that opinion held sway? [/QUOTE]
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