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Out of control!! Inexperienced Maintenance Mechanics Getting Killed by equipment on the job. What is going on Plant Engineering???
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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4698391" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>I like to think that there's as much speculation and conjecture as gossip on these boards. You can also make logical arguments using deductive reasoning, but if you are trying to prove a specific claim versus talking generally about amorphous concepts, like safety culture, then evidence is important.</p><p></p><p>I think [USER=26800]@Integrity[/USER] is trying to use these examples to make a claim about the state of the saftey culture at UPS in general, then, upon stipulation of those claims, is trying to deduce specific causes of the problems. The entire premise underpinning his logic is flawed, because it is based on this idea that all risk can and should be eliminated. There is risk inherent in any action, even inaction. It is impossible to eliminate risk, the best we can hope for is to minimize. But with that in mind, people who think this way are inclined to believe that risk can always be minimized further. It helps when people can come to agreement that there is an optimal amount of risk, and to strive for that, and understand that, once the optimal is reached, any further efforts to improve safety will actually degrade it. </p><p></p><p>That is the state we are in. People believe the company and management will not allow them to come to harm, so they don't take responsibility for their own safety.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4698391, member: 63706"] I like to think that there's as much speculation and conjecture as gossip on these boards. You can also make logical arguments using deductive reasoning, but if you are trying to prove a specific claim versus talking generally about amorphous concepts, like safety culture, then evidence is important. I think [USER=26800]@Integrity[/USER] is trying to use these examples to make a claim about the state of the saftey culture at UPS in general, then, upon stipulation of those claims, is trying to deduce specific causes of the problems. The entire premise underpinning his logic is flawed, because it is based on this idea that all risk can and should be eliminated. There is risk inherent in any action, even inaction. It is impossible to eliminate risk, the best we can hope for is to minimize. But with that in mind, people who think this way are inclined to believe that risk can always be minimized further. It helps when people can come to agreement that there is an optimal amount of risk, and to strive for that, and understand that, once the optimal is reached, any further efforts to improve safety will actually degrade it. That is the state we are in. People believe the company and management will not allow them to come to harm, so they don't take responsibility for their own safety. [/QUOTE]
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