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<blockquote data-quote="westsideworma" data-source="post: 313281"><p>I've been a supe for about 7 months now. Here are my observations. Your managers will nitpick EVERY LITTLE THING you do or don't do. You WILL get blamed for things beyond your control. You will NOT be recognized for anything you do well (ok maybe rarely, if the right people see it). You WILL kill lots of trees (from the mounds of mostly meaningless paperwork you will receive and do weekly/monthly). You WILL be expected to hold your people accountable for fictitious load rates (contract specifies no load rate, you cant be a slug, but 235pph isn't anywhere in the contract either). You WILL be thrown under the bus at your managers earliest convenience if it means an easy way out of a discussion/browbeating by a center/hub/division manager. Also, I didn't believe this at first (sarcasm ahead) but believe it or not hourlies don't like being bounced all over the building just because you can't stand seeing them catch their breath for 10 seconds (no not me, that'd be one of my managers) or because they have 2 empty cages that you just happened to see (with the rest of them being full). Loaders don't bust their asses just to be sent off to unload the air or sort on the slide. They do it to get ahead and have a litte break/easier 2nd half of the day. However take this with a grain of salt. Not all centers are the same and mine was not always like this. </p><p></p><p>My center has gone from pretty laid back to way past annoying in about 2 months. Mostly due to their "focus" on (LOADING) methods. I invite any one of our managers to do the job strictly by the loading methods and see how long it takes them to complete a pick. Which include but aren't limited to No stacking (ever), pulling every single PAL (#$%king stickers!!), pull 5+ packages from every cage, loading packages in 100% sequential order, no misloads etc. Guarantee they won't finish any of the pulls on my line under 3.5 hrs (which is what they're seemingly looking for). They'd like to start us at 5am, and I'd like them to do all those methods in addition to starting at 5 as well if only to see what a colossal failure it'd be. I'm not knocking methods, Some of the loading methods work extremely well. Some work under ideal conditions and some just don't. Methods don't take into account late loads, missing people, total lack of package flow from running 7 setups in the unload when 5 is normal (except for peak, 7 is normal then), people taking time to tape up the numerous damages that running 7 setups creates (slides back up and crush packages when too much work is sent to them too quickly? get out of here!) As one of my coworkers (also a supe) put it once, its impossible and when you ask your people (ask? haha you mean demand) to do the impossible everyday, eventually they are going to lay down on you.</p><p></p><p>However when things actually go well you do feel somewhat of a sense of pride. I don't regret being a supe, sure I just told you the challenges of a normal day in my center, but a decent amount of the people I work with are good people. You just have to rise above the BS and let the remarks just slide down your back. It takes tough skin to work at UPS and even tougher skin to be in management. My preloaders work hard (despite what the OR may say on some days). Its a challenge to keep your workers motivated when they're worked like dogs everyday, but reward them, be fair to them and most important of all REMEMBER WHERE YOU CAME FROM! No one in upper management seems to do this. It is your job to filter the demands (including the ones that seem to lack all logical thought) from above to form a plan that your people will be willing to get behind.</p><p></p><p>As far as the pay, in my area it ranges $1600s-1800s to start. Benefit costs are similar to union dues in our area (I pay approx. $45 monthly for benefits, I paid 37 for dues at the time).</p><p></p><p>If nothing else, management at UPS looks really good on your resume and supes get more tuition assistance, so if its not something you end up wanting to do, you still have an out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="westsideworma, post: 313281"] I've been a supe for about 7 months now. Here are my observations. Your managers will nitpick EVERY LITTLE THING you do or don't do. You WILL get blamed for things beyond your control. You will NOT be recognized for anything you do well (ok maybe rarely, if the right people see it). You WILL kill lots of trees (from the mounds of mostly meaningless paperwork you will receive and do weekly/monthly). You WILL be expected to hold your people accountable for fictitious load rates (contract specifies no load rate, you cant be a slug, but 235pph isn't anywhere in the contract either). You WILL be thrown under the bus at your managers earliest convenience if it means an easy way out of a discussion/browbeating by a center/hub/division manager. Also, I didn't believe this at first (sarcasm ahead) but believe it or not hourlies don't like being bounced all over the building just because you can't stand seeing them catch their breath for 10 seconds (no not me, that'd be one of my managers) or because they have 2 empty cages that you just happened to see (with the rest of them being full). Loaders don't bust their asses just to be sent off to unload the air or sort on the slide. They do it to get ahead and have a litte break/easier 2nd half of the day. However take this with a grain of salt. Not all centers are the same and mine was not always like this. My center has gone from pretty laid back to way past annoying in about 2 months. Mostly due to their "focus" on (LOADING) methods. I invite any one of our managers to do the job strictly by the loading methods and see how long it takes them to complete a pick. Which include but aren't limited to No stacking (ever), pulling every single PAL (#$%king stickers!!), pull 5+ packages from every cage, loading packages in 100% sequential order, no misloads etc. Guarantee they won't finish any of the pulls on my line under 3.5 hrs (which is what they're seemingly looking for). They'd like to start us at 5am, and I'd like them to do all those methods in addition to starting at 5 as well if only to see what a colossal failure it'd be. I'm not knocking methods, Some of the loading methods work extremely well. Some work under ideal conditions and some just don't. Methods don't take into account late loads, missing people, total lack of package flow from running 7 setups in the unload when 5 is normal (except for peak, 7 is normal then), people taking time to tape up the numerous damages that running 7 setups creates (slides back up and crush packages when too much work is sent to them too quickly? get out of here!) As one of my coworkers (also a supe) put it once, its impossible and when you ask your people (ask? haha you mean demand) to do the impossible everyday, eventually they are going to lay down on you. However when things actually go well you do feel somewhat of a sense of pride. I don't regret being a supe, sure I just told you the challenges of a normal day in my center, but a decent amount of the people I work with are good people. You just have to rise above the BS and let the remarks just slide down your back. It takes tough skin to work at UPS and even tougher skin to be in management. My preloaders work hard (despite what the OR may say on some days). Its a challenge to keep your workers motivated when they're worked like dogs everyday, but reward them, be fair to them and most important of all REMEMBER WHERE YOU CAME FROM! No one in upper management seems to do this. It is your job to filter the demands (including the ones that seem to lack all logical thought) from above to form a plan that your people will be willing to get behind. As far as the pay, in my area it ranges $1600s-1800s to start. Benefit costs are similar to union dues in our area (I pay approx. $45 monthly for benefits, I paid 37 for dues at the time). If nothing else, management at UPS looks really good on your resume and supes get more tuition assistance, so if its not something you end up wanting to do, you still have an out. [/QUOTE]
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