paid while at physical therapy?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by bddaddy, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. bddaddy

    bddaddy Member

    i searched the forum but couldnt find the answer. im on TAW for a work related injury. PT is this afternoon. Should i stay on the clock for this? Sup is trying to make me clock out
     
  2. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut Listen up, OoooooooKaaaaaay!

    You should clock out. Your being paid for your TAW time. You cans still demand 8, I beleive, but good luck. How long you gonna be unable to work full duty?
     
  3. bddaddy

    bddaddy Member

    at least 30 days. maybe more
     
  4. BigUnionGuy

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  5. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    Depending on your regional supplement or rider, the company cut's you off

    at 29 days. More than 30 days.... the "work" can be considered a permanent position

    and subject to area bidding procedures.


    After 30 days, it falls into the realm of worker's comp.
     
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  6. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut Listen up, OoooooooKaaaaaay!

    TAW is tedious. Contact your local and see what Comp lawyer they recommend. Once you’re past 30 days, you’ll start getting paid. Unfortunately suing UPS is the only way to make up for the lost wages.
     
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  7. bddaddy

    bddaddy Member

    i just found it. article 14 states that i will get paid for Physical Therepy if the appointment is during work hours.
     
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  8. BigUnionGuy

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    "An employee who has returned to regular duties after sustaining a compensable injury, and who is required by the Worker’s Compensation doctor to receive additional medical treatment during the employee’s regularly scheduled working hours, shall receive the employee’s regular hourly rate of pay for such time."


    How does that apply to you... if you are on TAW ?
     
  9. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    We get paid for dr apts while on TAW. TAW is for an on the job injury. Possibly since you returned to work the next day. And helped UPS by not having a lost time injury. Or maybe it’s just state law.
     
  10. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    Would your state workers comp laws come into play?

    We get paid for Doc appointments, PT, acupuncture and anything else the doctor has us do while on TAW.
     
  11. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    That is an argument that needs to be made?

    If you sustain a "compensable injury" that leaves you with restrictions after seeking medical treatment,

    ....and the Company elects to put you on TAW to avoid a loss time injury,

    ....should it not be argued that your new "regular duties" are whatever fits within the restrictions for the duration of your time on TAW?

    I cannot believe the "intent" of that language was to put an injured member at a lessor benefit than one on Workers Comp, simply to appease the Company and their desire to avoid a loss time injury.

    If it hasn't been grieved and argued, it needs to be.
    If it has and was denied at any level of the Panel system, the Union side should be ashamed of themselves.
    If it was denied at arbitration, it needs to be filed on with the Government.

    It makes zero sense that TAW program participants be excluded from this contractual benefit.
     
  12. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    The contract/union gives out false information in many cases because it isn’t updated to current laws. Workers comp language is the worst. Probably followed by sick leave, uniforms, etc.
     
  13. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    You really hurt or faking it like I did for time off?
     
  14. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    He didn’t get time off. He’s in TAW. (Trouble at work)
     
  15. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    These amateurs need to learn how to fake an injury.
     
  16. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Active Member

    I've had to do PT for TAW twice this decade, always been paid when it was during work place hours. They didn't even question it, they pay you to look at a wall anyway because they don't want a lost time injury. You could be sitting at home getting paid so why wouldn't they pay you lol?
     
  17. dookie stain

    dookie stain Cornfed whiteboy

    Absolutely 100% paid. Zero question.
     
  18. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

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  19. BigUnionGuy

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    The TAW language would need to be tweaked, to include that provision.



    Being that it is National language, it would get deadlocked at any lower panel

    and sent to the National Health & Safety panel.


    Just based on the language.... they would rule "No contract violation".



    How do you come to that conclusion?

    The National language doesn't support your assumption.

    There is a caveat, that it can be further addressed in supplemental language.



    -Bug-