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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5757757" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>It&#039;s legal to form a union in every state.&nbsp; But some states have laws that allow workers to work without joining an existing union.&nbsp; And companies are moving to those states because workers would rather have those companies come in and give them good jobs rather than working at McDonald&#039;s or Circle K.&nbsp; Do those companies offer all the bells and whistles that many unionized companies have?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; But it&#039;s the higher union pay and bells and whistles that drive many companies to relocate.&nbsp; Not many companies are in the position UPS is but even that&#039;s a balancing act.&nbsp; UPS pays well with good benefits because of the Teamsters.&nbsp; And they can&#039;t just uproot to a cheaper state, they&#039;re already there.&nbsp; But there are limits to just how much they can do.&nbsp; The union pushes them to those limits but it&#039;s a lucrative business.&nbsp; Many companies aren&#039;t in the position to offer that kind of pay and benefits so they have the choice of moving to right to work states or moving overseas.&nbsp; For sure some move overseas because they&#039;re greedy.&nbsp; But for most their overseas costs leave them with a decent profit.&nbsp; For those that remain in the States it&#039;s because there are advantages to that they can&#039;t get with an overseas location.&nbsp; Worth it to them.&nbsp; Notice that foreign manufacturers like Toyota have factories here to avoid high import fees and taxation.&nbsp; Where do they put those factories?&nbsp; If they didn&#039;t it wouldn&#039;t be worth it to them.&nbsp; Their cars would be too expensive and they&#039;d lose this market.&nbsp; Before you assume things you have to learn what companies are up against.&nbsp; It&#039;s not some evil plot to keep labor down.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5757757, member: 24302"] It's legal to form a union in every state. But some states have laws that allow workers to work without joining an existing union. And companies are moving to those states because workers would rather have those companies come in and give them good jobs rather than working at McDonald's or Circle K. Do those companies offer all the bells and whistles that many unionized companies have? No. But it's the higher union pay and bells and whistles that drive many companies to relocate. Not many companies are in the position UPS is but even that's a balancing act. UPS pays well with good benefits because of the Teamsters. And they can't just uproot to a cheaper state, they're already there. But there are limits to just how much they can do. The union pushes them to those limits but it's a lucrative business. Many companies aren't in the position to offer that kind of pay and benefits so they have the choice of moving to right to work states or moving overseas. For sure some move overseas because they're greedy. But for most their overseas costs leave them with a decent profit. For those that remain in the States it's because there are advantages to that they can't get with an overseas location. Worth it to them. Notice that foreign manufacturers like Toyota have factories here to avoid high import fees and taxation. Where do they put those factories? If they didn't it wouldn't be worth it to them. Their cars would be too expensive and they'd lose this market. Before you assume things you have to learn what companies are up against. It's not some evil plot to keep labor down. [/QUOTE]

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