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<blockquote data-quote="Jakamoe" data-source="post: 4577818" data-attributes="member: 74459">Yes, you&#039;re right, what Ford did was take out a government issued loan that interest was so low, the cost of inflation was higher, costing tax payers money in the long run. Although not as much as the TARP recipients. The fact 700b spent to save failing business models was still spent. But you are correct, Ford did it a different way. I respectfully disagree. In theory, you are right, absolutely. But that&#039;s not the practice going on. Businesses like Wendy&#039;s, KFC and Papa John&#039;s used that bailout to buy their own stock. Not pay their employees any benefits or even their low salaries. Really the point is, we, as a society tend to ignore the real problems with our oligarchy of a country and focus on &quot;problems&quot; that really should be human basic rights. Am I upset that they&#039;re illegal immigrants in the county that mooch off of the citizens, yes. But I&#039;m more upset that we spent at least 1.3T so far on awful business practices, that most, do the bare minimum for our communities. We work for a company that contracts union workers. We get to benefit more than any other employee in our fields because of that. Yet Ups still profits billions every year, despite contributing to our high salaries, best in class Healthcare, pension etc. Do we earn it? A big fat yes. But so does FedEx, DHL, the post office etc. Corporate greed is unbelievably upsetting and should upset every tax paying American. We should be focusing on real underlying issues, that cost us the most. Not trivial, relatively speaking, issues the media and our own govt want to divide us on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jakamoe, post: 4577818, member: 74459"] Yes, you're right, what Ford did was take out a government issued loan that interest was so low, the cost of inflation was higher, costing tax payers money in the long run. Although not as much as the TARP recipients. The fact 700b spent to save failing business models was still spent. But you are correct, Ford did it a different way. I respectfully disagree. In theory, you are right, absolutely. But that's not the practice going on. Businesses like Wendy's, KFC and Papa John's used that bailout to buy their own stock. Not pay their employees any benefits or even their low salaries. Really the point is, we, as a society tend to ignore the real problems with our oligarchy of a country and focus on "problems" that really should be human basic rights. Am I upset that they're illegal immigrants in the county that mooch off of the citizens, yes. But I'm more upset that we spent at least 1.3T so far on awful business practices, that most, do the bare minimum for our communities. We work for a company that contracts union workers. We get to benefit more than any other employee in our fields because of that. Yet Ups still profits billions every year, despite contributing to our high salaries, best in class Healthcare, pension etc. Do we earn it? A big fat yes. But so does FedEx, DHL, the post office etc. Corporate greed is unbelievably upsetting and should upset every tax paying American. We should be focusing on real underlying issues, that cost us the most. Not trivial, relatively speaking, issues the media and our own govt want to divide us on. [/QUOTE]

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