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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 4369769" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Again you&#039;re framing it as a reaction to the U.S. invading Iraq, etc.&nbsp; Terrorism happened long before we did that and not only against us but across Africa, in India, China, and elsewhere.&nbsp; And long before there was a United States Muslim armies marched against Europe and across Asia.&nbsp; Repeatedly for centuries.&nbsp; The Crusades were a reaction to Muslims conquering the Holy Lands.&nbsp; What were once Christian lands were conquered by Muslims.&nbsp; The Ottoman Empire out of Turkey marched across southeast Europe and almost made it to Italy and as far north as Russia and Ukraine.&nbsp; And other Muslims as far East as Indonesia and the Philippines.&nbsp; The Muslims didn&#039;t send missionaries, they sent armies.&nbsp; And that mindset permeates a percentage of their people today.&nbsp; But I also know for a fact that many are born into Christian families who don&#039;t believe or are at best agnostic.&nbsp; No doubt that&#039;s true with Muslims too.&nbsp; Might be dangerous in some countries to speak out against Islam.&nbsp; OK, no might about it.&nbsp; But in other Muslim countries, primarily due to communism, most of Muslim heritage are secular and non practicing or as in Malaysia are of a much more peaceful sect.&nbsp; It&#039;s not black and white.&nbsp; But let&#039;s not defend terrorism and let&#039;s not assume all U.S. military actions are unjust and terroristic too.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 4369769, member: 24302"] Again you're framing it as a reaction to the U.S. invading Iraq, etc. Terrorism happened long before we did that and not only against us but across Africa, in India, China, and elsewhere. And long before there was a United States Muslim armies marched against Europe and across Asia. Repeatedly for centuries. The Crusades were a reaction to Muslims conquering the Holy Lands. What were once Christian lands were conquered by Muslims. The Ottoman Empire out of Turkey marched across southeast Europe and almost made it to Italy and as far north as Russia and Ukraine. And other Muslims as far East as Indonesia and the Philippines. The Muslims didn't send missionaries, they sent armies. And that mindset permeates a percentage of their people today. But I also know for a fact that many are born into Christian families who don't believe or are at best agnostic. No doubt that's true with Muslims too. Might be dangerous in some countries to speak out against Islam. OK, no might about it. But in other Muslim countries, primarily due to communism, most of Muslim heritage are secular and non practicing or as in Malaysia are of a much more peaceful sect. It's not black and white. But let's not defend terrorism and let's not assume all U.S. military actions are unjust and terroristic too. [/QUOTE]

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