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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 815734" data-attributes="member: 2189">I do agree with the weak leadership comment and I&#039;m not certain if UPS itself can make up it&#039;s mind about what it wants, a union FedEx or a UPS under rail law instead of labor law thus gaining an advantage over the current structure when it comes to strikes. Anybody with half a brain knows that UPS has a cozy deal with the IBT which really is a toothless tiger and UPS&#039;s Union grumbling is nothing more than Brer Rabbit yelling, &quot;Don&#039;t throw me in the Briar Patch!&quot; &nbsp;For 30 years I&#039;ve watched the contract get walked on at will by the company but then the membership turn around and then feather their own nest outside the contract (maybe they see the real truth yet dare not say it) to the point they don&#039;t want to turn over their own apple cart. Most management grumbling at the personal level if you actually really listen to it is about the manager&#039;s own feather nesting getting disturbed or sometimes both hourly and management get into a turf war over little fiefdoms they&#039;ve created for themselves. And the gamesmanship continues on. Neither side really at the end of the day wants to follow the contract to the letter. Sad too because if they did, if does have a lot of good qualities about it and the weak stuff bothsides would clearly see and make changes to improve those areas.&nbsp; If you take the time to listen, it&#039;s suprising how many on both sides complain about the same issues in the contract.&nbsp;Lifer spoke of FedEx copying UPS and on the ground side this may be true but on the air side we copied them so we&#039;ve both in our respective ways have built a model that works and then copied each other so what&#039;s the diff here? And bbsam, you may get called the &quot;UPS man&quot; but I wonder how many people have shipped a UPS NDA package and then said they just &quot;FedEx&#039;d it?&quot; I know in fact it&#039;s happened. There again is the public itself recognizing who built the model. Same as someone saying they are gonna get a coke and then order a Pepsi. That kind of branding is out there and powerful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 815734, member: 2189"] I do agree with the weak leadership comment and I'm not certain if UPS itself can make up it's mind about what it wants, a union FedEx or a UPS under rail law instead of labor law thus gaining an advantage over the current structure when it comes to strikes. Anybody with half a brain knows that UPS has a cozy deal with the IBT which really is a toothless tiger and UPS's Union grumbling is nothing more than Brer Rabbit yelling, "Don't throw me in the Briar Patch!" For 30 years I've watched the contract get walked on at will by the company but then the membership turn around and then feather their own nest outside the contract (maybe they see the real truth yet dare not say it) to the point they don't want to turn over their own apple cart. Most management grumbling at the personal level if you actually really listen to it is about the manager's own feather nesting getting disturbed or sometimes both hourly and management get into a turf war over little fiefdoms they've created for themselves. And the gamesmanship continues on. Neither side really at the end of the day wants to follow the contract to the letter. Sad too because if they did, if does have a lot of good qualities about it and the weak stuff bothsides would clearly see and make changes to improve those areas. If you take the time to listen, it's suprising how many on both sides complain about the same issues in the contract. Lifer spoke of FedEx copying UPS and on the ground side this may be true but on the air side we copied them so we've both in our respective ways have built a model that works and then copied each other so what's the diff here? And bbsam, you may get called the "UPS man" but I wonder how many people have shipped a UPS NDA package and then said they just "FedEx'd it?" I know in fact it's happened. There again is the public itself recognizing who built the model. Same as someone saying they are gonna get a coke and then order a Pepsi. That kind of branding is out there and powerful. [/QUOTE]

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