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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 832339" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Something for you to ponder BABA and friends..</p><p></p><p>Despite the existence of Obama's Hawaii certification of live birth, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation#Court-martial_of_Lieutenant_Colonel_Lakin" target="_blank">Lt. Col Terry Lakin's</a> attorney, among others, have claimed that anyone, including foreign-born children, could acquire a Hawaiian certification of live birth, and so Obama's possession of such a certificate does not prove that he was born in Hawaii.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Cooper-64" target="_blank">[65]</a> However, the suggestion that this could have applied to Obama was rejected by Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate".<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Weigel-dogs-65" target="_blank">[66]</a> Another fact that refutes this specific claim is that the law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates did not exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published birth certificate says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961, and explicitly states that he was born in Honolulu.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Kornhaber-66" target="_blank">[67]</a></p><p>Additionally, some people claim that the information in the birth certificate only has to be based on the testimony of one parent.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Kornhaber-66" target="_blank">[67]</a></p><p>On July 27, 2009, Fukino issued a statement explicitly stating she has "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Fukino-Release-67" target="_blank">[68]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Nakaso-Isle-68" target="_blank">[69]</a></p><p>Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo elaborated on state policy for the release of vital records: "If someone from Obama's campaign gave us permission in person and presented some kind of verification that he or she was Obama's designee, we could release the vital record."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honolulu_advertiser-69" target="_blank">[70]</a> A hospital spokesperson at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children has said that their standard procedure is to neither confirm nor deny Obama was born there, "even though all the information out there says he was born at Kapiolani Hospital", citing federal privacy laws.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honadv-09Nov08-15" target="_blank">[16]</a></p><p></p><p>The Barack Obama birth announcement, published in <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Honolulu_Advertiser" target="_blank">The Honolulu Advertiser</a></em> on Aug. 13, 1961</p><p></p><p></p><p>In 1961, birth notices for Barack Obama were published in both the <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_Advertiser" target="_blank">Honolulu Advertiser</a></em> and the <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_Star-Bulletin" target="_blank">Honolulu Star-Bulletin</a></em> on August 13 and August 14, 1961, respectively, listing the home address of Obama's parents as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honadv-09Nov08-15" target="_blank">[16]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-factcheck-3" target="_blank">[4]</a> On November 9, 2008, in response to the persistent rumors, the <em>Advertiser</em> posted on its web site a screenshot of the announcement taken from its microfilmed archives. Such notices were sent to newspapers routinely by the Hawaii Department of Health.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honadv-09Nov08-15" target="_blank">[16]</a></p><p>In an editorial published on July 29, 2009, the <em>Star-Bulletin</em> pointed out that both newspapers' vital-statistics columns are available on microfilm in the main state library. "Were the state Department of Health and Obama's parents really in cahoots to give false information to the newspapers, perhaps intending to clear the way for the baby to someday be elected president of the United States?" the newspaper asked.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-70" target="_blank">[71]</a></p><p>Andrew Malcolm, of the <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times" target="_blank">Los Angeles Times</a></em>, has argued that Obama would be eligible for the presidency, because his mother was an American citizen, irrespective of where he was born, saying that Obama's mother "could have been on Mars when wee Barry emerged and he'd still be American."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Malcolm-71" target="_blank">[72]</a> According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Los_Angeles" target="_blank">UCLA</a> Law Professor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Volokh" target="_blank">Eugene Volokh</a>, in the hypothetical scenario that Obama was born outside the U.S., he would not be a natural-born citizen since the then-applicable law would have required Obama's mother to have been in the U.S. at least "five years after the age of 14", but Ann Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Volokh-72" target="_blank">[73]</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 832339, member: 17969"] Something for you to ponder BABA and friends.. Despite the existence of Obama's Hawaii certification of live birth, [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation#Court-martial_of_Lieutenant_Colonel_Lakin']Lt. Col Terry Lakin's[/URL] attorney, among others, have claimed that anyone, including foreign-born children, could acquire a Hawaiian certification of live birth, and so Obama's possession of such a certificate does not prove that he was born in Hawaii.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Cooper-64'][65][/URL] However, the suggestion that this could have applied to Obama was rejected by Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate".[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Weigel-dogs-65'][66][/URL] Another fact that refutes this specific claim is that the law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates did not exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published birth certificate says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961, and explicitly states that he was born in Honolulu.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Kornhaber-66'][67][/URL] Additionally, some people claim that the information in the birth certificate only has to be based on the testimony of one parent.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Kornhaber-66'][67][/URL] On July 27, 2009, Fukino issued a statement explicitly stating she has "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Fukino-Release-67'][68][/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Nakaso-Isle-68'][69][/URL] Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo elaborated on state policy for the release of vital records: "If someone from Obama's campaign gave us permission in person and presented some kind of verification that he or she was Obama's designee, we could release the vital record."[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honolulu_advertiser-69'][70][/URL] A hospital spokesperson at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children has said that their standard procedure is to neither confirm nor deny Obama was born there, "even though all the information out there says he was born at Kapiolani Hospital", citing federal privacy laws.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honadv-09Nov08-15'][16][/URL] The Barack Obama birth announcement, published in [I][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Honolulu_Advertiser']The Honolulu Advertiser[/URL][/I] on Aug. 13, 1961 In 1961, birth notices for Barack Obama were published in both the [I][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_Advertiser']Honolulu Advertiser[/URL][/I] and the [I][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_Star-Bulletin']Honolulu Star-Bulletin[/URL][/I] on August 13 and August 14, 1961, respectively, listing the home address of Obama's parents as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honadv-09Nov08-15'][16][/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-factcheck-3'][4][/URL] On November 9, 2008, in response to the persistent rumors, the [I]Advertiser[/I] posted on its web site a screenshot of the announcement taken from its microfilmed archives. Such notices were sent to newspapers routinely by the Hawaii Department of Health.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-honadv-09Nov08-15'][16][/URL] In an editorial published on July 29, 2009, the [I]Star-Bulletin[/I] pointed out that both newspapers' vital-statistics columns are available on microfilm in the main state library. "Were the state Department of Health and Obama's parents really in cahoots to give false information to the newspapers, perhaps intending to clear the way for the baby to someday be elected president of the United States?" the newspaper asked.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-70'][71][/URL] Andrew Malcolm, of the [I][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times']Los Angeles Times[/URL][/I], has argued that Obama would be eligible for the presidency, because his mother was an American citizen, irrespective of where he was born, saying that Obama's mother "could have been on Mars when wee Barry emerged and he'd still be American."[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Malcolm-71'][72][/URL] According to [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Los_Angeles']UCLA[/URL] Law Professor [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Volokh']Eugene Volokh[/URL], in the hypothetical scenario that Obama was born outside the U.S., he would not be a natural-born citizen since the then-applicable law would have required Obama's mother to have been in the U.S. at least "five years after the age of 14", but Ann Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-Volokh-72'][73][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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