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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1228008" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Island,</p><p></p><p>I'm vastly more aware and more studied on the subject than you might realize but believe on that what you want. I know there is a serious problem and the trends are not just a "BLACK THANG" either. Looking for superficial answers in a vastly complex problem with deep seeded roots that don't just go back decades but now centuries is where one has to start and then come forward. Yeah, it's that damn history thing again. Ain't it a 8itch? </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p></p><p>Learning and knowledge is important but our models of education and schooling may well for most not be about those ends. The terms education and schooling are also problematic in their etymology. Education is a term in the 1500's meant rearing but was also used to describe the training of animals. Schooling also from the 1500's concerns teaching or being taught but also like fish, herding is also associated with. So who would benefit from such repetitive training to act upon command and then to do so as part of a herd? Go to the School=Prison thread and just ask yourself the question, is it possible and if so, how would some kids react to this? </p><p></p><p>Information is coming out as more and more inside the current education model speak out which starts to beg the question if what we are seeing is somewhat a desired outcome and economic models are built and being built to profit from it. When one looks at the state for example, one is left to conclude that even the most ignorant maroon wouldn't "friend' up this bad by blind chance in building an education/schooling model and yet we have so-called experts doing this? And we want to turn our kids over to these people? And as I've said before, the teachers as well as the kids are equal victims here. </p><p></p><p>When it comes to schooling and the contrived structure of hierarchy and command down society, this quote from William James, father of American Psychology rings true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You might talk with your nephew as like another William James quote, maybe in that twisted rubble you see, that kid understands something in his herding process you want to re-impose on him is seriously flawed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>BTW: Your Trayvon example makes many assumptions that may or may not be true. Offer good evidence to support the assertion and yes, you may well be right. Also completely remove the Zimmerman factor from the Trayvon equation and you can't prove that Trayvon would grow up to become a societal problem. Nor can it be proven he'd be a model citizen either. </p><p></p><p>There are almost uncountable kids who in their youth had troublesome events and yet grew up to even do great things as adults. Trayvon regardless of his troubles was not automatic either way but Zimmerman, right or wrong, made sure we'll never find out either. Using Trayvon just like using Zimmerman as a straw man IMO proves nothing either way.</p><p></p><p>The one thing we do know, the system that produced Trayvon also produced Zimmerman and maybe that speaks to levels that might leave many people feeling uncomfortable. And it should.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1228008, member: 2189"] Island, I'm vastly more aware and more studied on the subject than you might realize but believe on that what you want. I know there is a serious problem and the trends are not just a "BLACK THANG" either. Looking for superficial answers in a vastly complex problem with deep seeded roots that don't just go back decades but now centuries is where one has to start and then come forward. Yeah, it's that damn history thing again. Ain't it a 8itch? :wink2: Learning and knowledge is important but our models of education and schooling may well for most not be about those ends. The terms education and schooling are also problematic in their etymology. Education is a term in the 1500's meant rearing but was also used to describe the training of animals. Schooling also from the 1500's concerns teaching or being taught but also like fish, herding is also associated with. So who would benefit from such repetitive training to act upon command and then to do so as part of a herd? Go to the School=Prison thread and just ask yourself the question, is it possible and if so, how would some kids react to this? Information is coming out as more and more inside the current education model speak out which starts to beg the question if what we are seeing is somewhat a desired outcome and economic models are built and being built to profit from it. When one looks at the state for example, one is left to conclude that even the most ignorant maroon wouldn't "friend' up this bad by blind chance in building an education/schooling model and yet we have so-called experts doing this? And we want to turn our kids over to these people? And as I've said before, the teachers as well as the kids are equal victims here. When it comes to schooling and the contrived structure of hierarchy and command down society, this quote from William James, father of American Psychology rings true. You might talk with your nephew as like another William James quote, maybe in that twisted rubble you see, that kid understands something in his herding process you want to re-impose on him is seriously flawed. BTW: Your Trayvon example makes many assumptions that may or may not be true. Offer good evidence to support the assertion and yes, you may well be right. Also completely remove the Zimmerman factor from the Trayvon equation and you can't prove that Trayvon would grow up to become a societal problem. Nor can it be proven he'd be a model citizen either. There are almost uncountable kids who in their youth had troublesome events and yet grew up to even do great things as adults. Trayvon regardless of his troubles was not automatic either way but Zimmerman, right or wrong, made sure we'll never find out either. Using Trayvon just like using Zimmerman as a straw man IMO proves nothing either way. The one thing we do know, the system that produced Trayvon also produced Zimmerman and maybe that speaks to levels that might leave many people feeling uncomfortable. And it should. [/QUOTE]
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