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<blockquote data-quote="oldngray" data-source="post: 1465654" data-attributes="member: 45230"><p>I still don't understand exactly what happened in the Gardner case. My first impression was surprise at the grand jury verdict but maybe there was more evidence not reported by the media. Gardner should not have resisted arrest (which I seriously doubt Madoff would ever even attempt to do). I do think the fact that the police were instructed to crack down on the cigarette sellers like Gardner was the initial spark and it escalated from there. And he died an hour later from heart failure, not from the choke hold. With his health he might have died if the police had just tasered him but that will never be known. Madoff also would have known he would go to a country club prison so he would have less incentive to resist but that is another issue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oldngray, post: 1465654, member: 45230"] I still don't understand exactly what happened in the Gardner case. My first impression was surprise at the grand jury verdict but maybe there was more evidence not reported by the media. Gardner should not have resisted arrest (which I seriously doubt Madoff would ever even attempt to do). I do think the fact that the police were instructed to crack down on the cigarette sellers like Gardner was the initial spark and it escalated from there. And he died an hour later from heart failure, not from the choke hold. With his health he might have died if the police had just tasered him but that will never be known. Madoff also would have known he would go to a country club prison so he would have less incentive to resist but that is another issue. [/QUOTE]
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