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<blockquote data-quote="BrownShark" data-source="post: 346809" data-attributes="member: 12148"><p>Brett, </p><p> </p><p>I understand you are a younger man, and I would like to address a point you made in your post.</p><p> </p><p>I will only address this one point as all the others are just plain rediculous rhetoric heard on the radio, the same old fear and smear stuff not worthy of addressing.</p><p> </p><p>You stated:</p><p>Quote:</p><p><em>[SIZE=+1]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, <span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>shall not be infringed</strong></span>.[/SIZE]</em> </p><p> </p><p>Its amazing, those who believe they can read, comprehend and apply the written language.</p><p> </p><p>Its also amazing, the amount of support that followers lend when hearing or reading something that is rediculous and then praise it, as if it were real.</p><p> </p><p>Lets begin with this Brett.</p><p> </p><p>First, let me ask you a question: </p><p> </p><p>"Where in this amendment do you see a "stand alone" sentence giving citizens the right to bear anything" ??</p><p> </p><p>The Supreme court of the United States of America has only heard the issue of gun rights twice in its history. In NEITHER case has it ruled that any AMERICAN has the right to have a gun.</p><p> </p><p>The second amendment was first heard by the court in 1939 and at that time, the court <span style="color: red">DID NOT</span> issue a ruling confirming a citizens right to bear arms.</p><p> </p><p>The second time the case of the 2nd amendment was heard was just over a month ago. (Heller vs. DC)</p><p> </p><p>The ruling of the court is expected in a few weeks.</p><p> </p><p>In this case, the plaintiff sued the State because he felt his 2nd amendment rights were being violated by regulation. A strict handgun ban was enacted and Mr Hellers guns were now against the law.</p><p> </p><p>The argument was simple. Does the 2nd amendment give an individual the right to keep and brandish a weapon?</p><p> </p><p>The high court heard testimony from three sides. </p><p> </p><p>Mr Hellers counsel, The state, The Solicitor General.</p><p> </p><p>Without having to give you a 3000 page outline of the case, I will keep it in simple terms for you.</p><p> </p><p>The high court asked Mr Hellers counsel how he came to SEPARATE the meanings in the sentence into THREE separate parts given the fact that there are COMMAS in the sentence making it a CONTINUING sentence.</p><p> </p><p>Mr. Hellers counsel FAILED to convince the court that the COMMAS were irrelavent in the sentence making it ONE MEANING and not THREE SEPARATE meanings.</p><p> </p><p>You as well left out the COMMAS in the sentence.</p><p> </p><p>Most people do. </p><p> </p><p>The high court heard testimony about the creation of the amendment and the uses of the commas. The court pointed out to MR. Hellers counsel that the sentence was originally written in a miliaristic sense in defense of the State and not individuals.</p><p> </p><p>You see, when it was written, there were no US armies, no national guard, no police force, no civil defense and no fire departments.</p><p> </p><p>It was the intention of the founding fathers to establish a means to protect each state from each other and more importantly, protect them from a "Tyrannical goverment".</p><p> </p><p>Each state was given the right to form militias, "well regulated" by each state in order to provide security. NO WHERE in the amendment did it empower citizens to carry weapons independently.</p><p> </p><p>The weapons had to be stored in a community warehouse, powder separated by one floor from the muskets (actually written in the constitution) </p><p> </p><p>What you stated is a common misconception never really addressed until the case was heard recently.</p><p> </p><p>Yes, the gun nuts take the 2nd amendment literally, leaving out the commas and creating separate meanings, but you cant if you understand the english language.</p><p> </p><p>The NRA is the most adamant in trying to communicate to its members that the 2nd amendment gives individuals rights to arms.</p><p> </p><p>When the high court sends down its ruling in a few weeks, it will be interesting to see how it interprets the arguments.</p><p> </p><p>In the end, it will however, UPHOLD the gun ban and further UPHOLD a states rights to regulate weapons.</p><p> </p><p>Mr. Hellers case was weak, his counsel failed on many attempts to separate the commas from each other in the sentence. A continuing sentence was the impression Chief Justice Roberts exhaulted.</p><p> </p><p>There wasnt 1 single justice who sided openly with Mr. Hellers counsels opinion that the commas merely divided three parts of the amendment into separate meanings.</p><p> </p><p>When the solicitor general explained in GREAT DETAIL the history of the 2nd amendment, the most common idiot would come away knowing what the intention of the amendment was.</p><p> </p><p>Over the years, it has been assumed that the 2nd amendment meant individuals were granted arms rights yet, not until now has that actually been put to the test.</p><p> </p><p>I had the pleasure to sit in the gallery for this hearing as a guest of my uncle, Congressman Joe Baca-D- California.</p><p> </p><p>As I said earlier, this ruling will be landmarking. It will NOT end up with a persons FEDERAL right to possess handguns or arms, it will only extend the regulations of arms upon each state in the Union.</p><p> </p><p>I am sure you can research this case yourself if you did not know about Heller v. DC.</p><p> </p><p>Re-read the sentence in the 2nd amendment, and this time, focus on the COMMAS and ask yourself if this sentence is three separte sentences, or one continuing sentence further defined by commas.</p><p> </p><p>Look up the history of the 2nd amendment, look at how it was created, who wrote it, why were the commas not in there in the begining. Who put the commas in?</p><p> </p><p>Why was there specificity about the weapons care and the storage thereof.</p><p> </p><p>You will suprise yourself.</p><p> </p><p>You can continue to leave your interpretations as they stand and cheat yourself out of knowledge, but as a young man, I am sure you would prefer to find the truth. You have shown your capacity for adjustment in thought many times on this board.</p><p> </p><p>These are my thoughts.</p><p> </p><p>Peace<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownShark, post: 346809, member: 12148"] Brett, I understand you are a younger man, and I would like to address a point you made in your post. I will only address this one point as all the others are just plain rediculous rhetoric heard on the radio, the same old fear and smear stuff not worthy of addressing. You stated: Quote: [I][SIZE=+1]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, [SIZE=6][B]shall not be infringed[/B][/SIZE].[/SIZE][/I] Its amazing, those who believe they can read, comprehend and apply the written language. Its also amazing, the amount of support that followers lend when hearing or reading something that is rediculous and then praise it, as if it were real. Lets begin with this Brett. First, let me ask you a question: "Where in this amendment do you see a "stand alone" sentence giving citizens the right to bear anything" ?? The Supreme court of the United States of America has only heard the issue of gun rights twice in its history. In NEITHER case has it ruled that any AMERICAN has the right to have a gun. The second amendment was first heard by the court in 1939 and at that time, the court [COLOR=red]DID NOT[/COLOR] issue a ruling confirming a citizens right to bear arms. The second time the case of the 2nd amendment was heard was just over a month ago. (Heller vs. DC) The ruling of the court is expected in a few weeks. In this case, the plaintiff sued the State because he felt his 2nd amendment rights were being violated by regulation. A strict handgun ban was enacted and Mr Hellers guns were now against the law. The argument was simple. Does the 2nd amendment give an individual the right to keep and brandish a weapon? The high court heard testimony from three sides. Mr Hellers counsel, The state, The Solicitor General. Without having to give you a 3000 page outline of the case, I will keep it in simple terms for you. The high court asked Mr Hellers counsel how he came to SEPARATE the meanings in the sentence into THREE separate parts given the fact that there are COMMAS in the sentence making it a CONTINUING sentence. Mr. Hellers counsel FAILED to convince the court that the COMMAS were irrelavent in the sentence making it ONE MEANING and not THREE SEPARATE meanings. You as well left out the COMMAS in the sentence. Most people do. The high court heard testimony about the creation of the amendment and the uses of the commas. The court pointed out to MR. Hellers counsel that the sentence was originally written in a miliaristic sense in defense of the State and not individuals. You see, when it was written, there were no US armies, no national guard, no police force, no civil defense and no fire departments. It was the intention of the founding fathers to establish a means to protect each state from each other and more importantly, protect them from a "Tyrannical goverment". Each state was given the right to form militias, "well regulated" by each state in order to provide security. NO WHERE in the amendment did it empower citizens to carry weapons independently. The weapons had to be stored in a community warehouse, powder separated by one floor from the muskets (actually written in the constitution) What you stated is a common misconception never really addressed until the case was heard recently. Yes, the gun nuts take the 2nd amendment literally, leaving out the commas and creating separate meanings, but you cant if you understand the english language. The NRA is the most adamant in trying to communicate to its members that the 2nd amendment gives individuals rights to arms. When the high court sends down its ruling in a few weeks, it will be interesting to see how it interprets the arguments. In the end, it will however, UPHOLD the gun ban and further UPHOLD a states rights to regulate weapons. Mr. Hellers case was weak, his counsel failed on many attempts to separate the commas from each other in the sentence. A continuing sentence was the impression Chief Justice Roberts exhaulted. There wasnt 1 single justice who sided openly with Mr. Hellers counsels opinion that the commas merely divided three parts of the amendment into separate meanings. When the solicitor general explained in GREAT DETAIL the history of the 2nd amendment, the most common idiot would come away knowing what the intention of the amendment was. Over the years, it has been assumed that the 2nd amendment meant individuals were granted arms rights yet, not until now has that actually been put to the test. I had the pleasure to sit in the gallery for this hearing as a guest of my uncle, Congressman Joe Baca-D- California. As I said earlier, this ruling will be landmarking. It will NOT end up with a persons FEDERAL right to possess handguns or arms, it will only extend the regulations of arms upon each state in the Union. I am sure you can research this case yourself if you did not know about Heller v. DC. Re-read the sentence in the 2nd amendment, and this time, focus on the COMMAS and ask yourself if this sentence is three separte sentences, or one continuing sentence further defined by commas. Look up the history of the 2nd amendment, look at how it was created, who wrote it, why were the commas not in there in the begining. Who put the commas in? Why was there specificity about the weapons care and the storage thereof. You will suprise yourself. You can continue to leave your interpretations as they stand and cheat yourself out of knowledge, but as a young man, I am sure you would prefer to find the truth. You have shown your capacity for adjustment in thought many times on this board. These are my thoughts. Peace:peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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