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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 706047" data-attributes="member: 2189">You&#039;re are correct, not suggesting that at all. Try this and see if this helps make it clear as to what I was trying to say. Read the Supremacy clause like this.&nbsp;&nbsp;The authority are the provisions in the Constitution for the Senate and President to make treaties and thus the terms and conditions of these treaties are binding as law just as the Constitution is. Easy case in point for example are the various treaties under the United Nations or say NATO for example which binds us to defend others in certain conditions. How about the various trade agreements, many which effect labor law within the US. I&#039;ve found often where law clearly violated an originalist viewpoint (a muddy term but you get the point) of the Constitution but then learned later that the underlying authority was in fact treaty law. These clowns in Congress are screwing us coming and going but even worse is so often there&#039;s so much there, 2000 page healthcare bill come to mind, it&#039;s all but impossible to read it all and the very folks hooking the system for themselves at our expense know this and the last thing they want is smaller, retracted gov&#039;t. I know we agree on that point!<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" />&nbsp;As to Obamacare, seems former Nixon aid Ben Stein (yeah the Bueller guy) <a href="http://thenewnixon.org/2010/03/25/rns-health-care-bill-more-comprehensive-than-obamas/" target="_blank">is crying foul </a>because Obama is getting all the creds when according to Stein, his boss was &quot;far more ‘socialist&#039; than what Mr. Obama&quot; well actually the healthcare bill Nixon proposed was the socialist part. When the whig party died out and the progressives found a home with Lincoln and the repubs. it&#039;s becoming more and more obvious those progressives are still really what the GOP is all about.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 706047, member: 2189"] You're are correct, not suggesting that at all. Try this and see if this helps make it clear as to what I was trying to say. Read the Supremacy clause like this. The authority are the provisions in the Constitution for the Senate and President to make treaties and thus the terms and conditions of these treaties are binding as law just as the Constitution is. Easy case in point for example are the various treaties under the United Nations or say NATO for example which binds us to defend others in certain conditions. How about the various trade agreements, many which effect labor law within the US. I've found often where law clearly violated an originalist viewpoint (a muddy term but you get the point) of the Constitution but then learned later that the underlying authority was in fact treaty law. These clowns in Congress are screwing us coming and going but even worse is so often there's so much there, 2000 page healthcare bill come to mind, it's all but impossible to read it all and the very folks hooking the system for themselves at our expense know this and the last thing they want is smaller, retracted gov't. I know we agree on that point! :wink2: As to Obamacare, seems former Nixon aid Ben Stein (yeah the Bueller guy) [URL="http://thenewnixon.org/2010/03/25/rns-health-care-bill-more-comprehensive-than-obamas/"][COLOR=red]is crying foul[/COLOR] [/URL]because Obama is getting all the creds when according to Stein, his boss was "far more ‘socialist' than what Mr. Obama" well actually the healthcare bill Nixon proposed was the socialist part. When the whig party died out and the progressives found a home with Lincoln and the repubs. it's becoming more and more obvious those progressives are still really what the GOP is all about. [/QUOTE]

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