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<blockquote data-quote="just1please" data-source="post: 988972" data-attributes="member: 41639"><p><strong>Re: Future of our healthcare now that Obamacare has passed</strong></p><p></p><p>I'm not a GOPer or a Dermer. I still look at this site and funny my ass off at you guys. Have any of you even taken the time to look at the majors parts of this bill. Seems to me you have not. Do you really think that Teamsters will pay the full timers health care and do you really think UPS will pay for the part timers. Both is BIG FAT NO. Look the company can drop your health care and pay a fine. It is that simple. Yes they will have a lot of red tape to over come but don't think they will not do it when the exchanges are put into place. Now if some of you think they cannot do this because it will be a violation of the contract. Well please read that as well. It says this contract cannot over ride state or Federal law. The Obamacare law is a Federal law so they will not be breaking the law. Now teamster backed this law 100% and they pay a high cost of health care for the full timers. Do you really think they will not drop you and place you in the exchanges. Come on face the facts. Look at the teamsters pensions they are so under funded. Could teasmters be thinking here and they could save lots of money and drop the fulltimers and lets say use that money to place in the funds. The way UPS and Teamsters can get around any of this law is to get a waver from the Health and Human Services Department of the Federal Gov. Now this is run by with no over site from Congress. HHS is given many powers by this law. It will be cheaper to do so then pay for health care and dump us in the exchanges. We as teamsters need to start to understand what is going on here and need to understand that questioning those who supported this bill don't even know how to give the right information to us. We as a country have set on our fat ass and let this happen buy just hearing and not watching what they do. If you think this can and will not happen then you need a fact check really fast. READ, INVESTIGATE AND QUESTIONS THOSE WHO ARE THE ONES NOT LISTENING TO THE REAL GOVERMENT OF THIS COUNTRY AND THAT IS ITS PEOPLE. I have been employed with UPS for over 20 years and this law is not what we need, get on line and do your homework before you go the poles in NOV. I did vote for the Obama in 08 and I WILL NOT THIS TIME HE IS NOT RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. I will tell you now you better wake up and question what needs to be questioned. Get on HSS site read the break down of this law. You will be mazed. There are great parts about this bill but 90% needs to placed to the side and burned. Yes I have read the bill and it took me over 12 months and had to look up many terms to get a clear meaning, and deep in the law there are tihngs that takes many of your choices away. Think, read and education yourself. Obama did tell the youth knowledge is power and I now have it about this bill and don't like it one all. Read people. Look at some of the past CBO reports for the last 2 years see what could and might happen if this thing becomes to life after 2014.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="just1please, post: 988972, member: 41639"] [b]Re: Future of our healthcare now that Obamacare has passed[/b] I'm not a GOPer or a Dermer. I still look at this site and funny my ass off at you guys. Have any of you even taken the time to look at the majors parts of this bill. Seems to me you have not. Do you really think that Teamsters will pay the full timers health care and do you really think UPS will pay for the part timers. Both is BIG FAT NO. Look the company can drop your health care and pay a fine. It is that simple. Yes they will have a lot of red tape to over come but don't think they will not do it when the exchanges are put into place. Now if some of you think they cannot do this because it will be a violation of the contract. Well please read that as well. It says this contract cannot over ride state or Federal law. The Obamacare law is a Federal law so they will not be breaking the law. Now teamster backed this law 100% and they pay a high cost of health care for the full timers. Do you really think they will not drop you and place you in the exchanges. Come on face the facts. Look at the teamsters pensions they are so under funded. Could teasmters be thinking here and they could save lots of money and drop the fulltimers and lets say use that money to place in the funds. The way UPS and Teamsters can get around any of this law is to get a waver from the Health and Human Services Department of the Federal Gov. Now this is run by with no over site from Congress. HHS is given many powers by this law. It will be cheaper to do so then pay for health care and dump us in the exchanges. We as teamsters need to start to understand what is going on here and need to understand that questioning those who supported this bill don't even know how to give the right information to us. We as a country have set on our fat ass and let this happen buy just hearing and not watching what they do. If you think this can and will not happen then you need a fact check really fast. READ, INVESTIGATE AND QUESTIONS THOSE WHO ARE THE ONES NOT LISTENING TO THE REAL GOVERMENT OF THIS COUNTRY AND THAT IS ITS PEOPLE. I have been employed with UPS for over 20 years and this law is not what we need, get on line and do your homework before you go the poles in NOV. I did vote for the Obama in 08 and I WILL NOT THIS TIME HE IS NOT RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. I will tell you now you better wake up and question what needs to be questioned. Get on HSS site read the break down of this law. You will be mazed. There are great parts about this bill but 90% needs to placed to the side and burned. Yes I have read the bill and it took me over 12 months and had to look up many terms to get a clear meaning, and deep in the law there are tihngs that takes many of your choices away. Think, read and education yourself. Obama did tell the youth knowledge is power and I now have it about this bill and don't like it one all. Read people. Look at some of the past CBO reports for the last 2 years see what could and might happen if this thing becomes to life after 2014. [/QUOTE]
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