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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 3337062" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>That's what you don't seem to get.  They're citizens.  We have laws governing our citizens.  But MS 13 members aren't citizens.  They don't belong here and the crime they commit wouldn't have happened if we had had real border security.  Try explaining to any parent who's lost their child to senseless crime committed by an illegal immigrant that it's no big deal if a criminal alien was allowed to roam our streets.  And judging by the percentage of prisoners in federal and state prisons who are illegal immigrants we'd see a large drop in both crime and the cost to incarcerate them if we shut down the border.</p></blockquote><p></p>