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<blockquote data-quote="dannyboy" data-source="post: 461355" data-attributes="member: 484"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There are a lot of things to discuss</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Ah yes, he was represented at the hearing by a lawyer, as was UPS. So unless he can show that somehow he was done wrong at this hearing legally, he has no further action in this matter.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">For one, shame the union for taking such a made up piece of crap to arbitration. Every point the union made was rebutted by the company very successfully, where not one point the company made was rebutted by the union. There should have been several if not many the union should have rebutted. They either could not, or chose not too. Shame on them.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">As a shop steward, you don’t leave anything to chance. You rebut everything. There were no suprises in what the company brought to the table. The union and this steward did not a damn thing to help in his defense. All they did was to repeat the mantra of UPS was mean to this guy cause he is a steward and as such they don’t like him. That was all they had. That was all they brought to the table. No data to refute what the company produced.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Shame on them</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is hilarious that when the driver brings up the fact that he had a tape recorder, and recorded days 2&3, that when the company calls his bluff, it is he that prefers not to have the company listen to it and make it part of the record. Could it be that after the lawyer for the union heard it, and it was just too damning to the case? And as the arbitrator pointed out, the actual day that the driver actually had a dispute, he did not record? Why? Is it because the driver is a liar and the actual tape of what happened on day one supported the sup that did the OJS?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Secondly, by the whole of the testimony given by both sides, it appears that the driver was a rouge, someone that felt no rules or regulations apply to him or his conduct. Especially when as a shop steward you tell the company they are full of $#^t when it comes to production of the drivers, and there is no way they can take discipline against the drivers, or enforce any type of production. That sets the stage for fireworks.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Data is this.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The driver showed that he could run his route in the 15’s, and demonstrated it.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Then after he showed he could, he consistently ran 3-4 stops under that. 2 hours extra or more a day.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Later on, when he showed even more days with sporhs in the single digits and 10-11’s, they did another study. This one was not at the 14.5, but was set at 13.71. This was now the new standard. And the driver agreed it was a fair standard, one that he agreed he could either hit or get close to daily.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">But instead, he went the other way even further.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">As for his selection with no other drivers being singled out, that was blown out of the water by the company, when they showed that he was one of the least best. And the least best were those that were consistently 3-5 stops an hour below sporh. All these drivers had OJS’s, and had shown improvement. All the drivers at the center were at least within 1-1.5 of their daily target, with the exception of this driver.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now, off to what actually caused the driver to get that target.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">HE not only underperformed by 15-45% daily, he got a lot of his warnings and suspensions in more traditional ways.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Warning for failure to remove misloads from the car upon return to building</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Warning for failure to optimize loads</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Warning for failure to follow methods during an OJS</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Warning about his on road performance</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Warning for insubordination</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1 day suspension for leaving packages on car</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3 days suspension for the same thing</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1 day suspension concerning performance</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3 day suspension concerning performance</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">5 day suspension concerning performance</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Termination for performance related </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Termination for over all working record including attendance</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Termination for over all work record, including performance.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So the termination is not just a performance issue as has been suggested, but instead the employees whole demeanor while at work. Insubordination, failure to follow instructions are all things that can get you fired. And while they by themselves would not have been just cause, the belligerence of the driver while at the hearings I am sure put things over the top. He and the union kept repeating the mantra that there is nothing in the contract that gives the company power to fire someone over production issues.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Well they didn’t, they fired him because of a serious series of mistakes that both he as a shop steward made, and the union was too lazy to follow up on. And as an employee of UPS, the worst mistake you can make is tell them they cant fire you. They can and will. Believe me, they can find enough crap to hang you out, but this guy gave them so much more.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So in summation, the driver did not deserve his job back per what I read, the company did a sufficient job in presenting the case, the union and the shop steward did not do a damn thing to prepare for this case, so they deserved to lose.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Now, as to what bearing this case has on production enforcement at UPS? I don’t think it does, unless further bumblings by the union allow it to become precedence setting. There were too many things that were the cause of this driver being fired. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It was not that he missed his sporh by .5 or even 1-1.5 a day. And even after he was given another ride, he still went down even further, after stating that the ride was fair, and the sporh was very fair. Basically he was 2 hours over every day and going even further down. Couple that with his desire to show UPS that they could not do anything about it, you have the scene you have here.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This drivers comprehension of what the contract says, and his total lack of a clue should keep him away from representing any one else. And the union that took this to arbitration need to get a new job as well.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">d</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dannyboy, post: 461355, member: 484"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]There are a lot of things to discuss[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Ah yes, he was represented at the hearing by a lawyer, as was UPS. So unless he can show that somehow he was done wrong at this hearing legally, he has no further action in this matter.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]For one, shame the union for taking such a made up piece of crap to arbitration. Every point the union made was rebutted by the company very successfully, where not one point the company made was rebutted by the union. There should have been several if not many the union should have rebutted. They either could not, or chose not too. Shame on them.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]As a shop steward, you don’t leave anything to chance. You rebut everything. There were no suprises in what the company brought to the table. The union and this steward did not a damn thing to help in his defense. All they did was to repeat the mantra of UPS was mean to this guy cause he is a steward and as such they don’t like him. That was all they had. That was all they brought to the table. No data to refute what the company produced.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Shame on them[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]It is hilarious that when the driver brings up the fact that he had a tape recorder, and recorded days 2&3, that when the company calls his bluff, it is he that prefers not to have the company listen to it and make it part of the record. Could it be that after the lawyer for the union heard it, and it was just too damning to the case? And as the arbitrator pointed out, the actual day that the driver actually had a dispute, he did not record? Why? Is it because the driver is a liar and the actual tape of what happened on day one supported the sup that did the OJS?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Secondly, by the whole of the testimony given by both sides, it appears that the driver was a rouge, someone that felt no rules or regulations apply to him or his conduct. Especially when as a shop steward you tell the company they are full of $#^t when it comes to production of the drivers, and there is no way they can take discipline against the drivers, or enforce any type of production. That sets the stage for fireworks.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Data is this.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The driver showed that he could run his route in the 15’s, and demonstrated it.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Then after he showed he could, he consistently ran 3-4 stops under that. 2 hours extra or more a day.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Later on, when he showed even more days with sporhs in the single digits and 10-11’s, they did another study. This one was not at the 14.5, but was set at 13.71. This was now the new standard. And the driver agreed it was a fair standard, one that he agreed he could either hit or get close to daily.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]But instead, he went the other way even further.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]As for his selection with no other drivers being singled out, that was blown out of the water by the company, when they showed that he was one of the least best. And the least best were those that were consistently 3-5 stops an hour below sporh. All these drivers had OJS’s, and had shown improvement. All the drivers at the center were at least within 1-1.5 of their daily target, with the exception of this driver.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Now, off to what actually caused the driver to get that target.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]HE not only underperformed by 15-45% daily, he got a lot of his warnings and suspensions in more traditional ways.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Warning for failure to remove misloads from the car upon return to building[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Warning for failure to optimize loads[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Warning for failure to follow methods during an OJS[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Warning about his on road performance[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Warning for insubordination[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]1 day suspension for leaving packages on car[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]3 days suspension for the same thing[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]1 day suspension concerning performance[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]3 day suspension concerning performance[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]5 day suspension concerning performance[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Termination for performance related [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Termination for over all working record including attendance[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Termination for over all work record, including performance.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]So the termination is not just a performance issue as has been suggested, but instead the employees whole demeanor while at work. Insubordination, failure to follow instructions are all things that can get you fired. And while they by themselves would not have been just cause, the belligerence of the driver while at the hearings I am sure put things over the top. He and the union kept repeating the mantra that there is nothing in the contract that gives the company power to fire someone over production issues.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Well they didn’t, they fired him because of a serious series of mistakes that both he as a shop steward made, and the union was too lazy to follow up on. And as an employee of UPS, the worst mistake you can make is tell them they cant fire you. They can and will. Believe me, they can find enough crap to hang you out, but this guy gave them so much more.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]So in summation, the driver did not deserve his job back per what I read, the company did a sufficient job in presenting the case, the union and the shop steward did not do a damn thing to prepare for this case, so they deserved to lose.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Now, as to what bearing this case has on production enforcement at UPS? I don’t think it does, unless further bumblings by the union allow it to become precedence setting. There were too many things that were the cause of this driver being fired. [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]It was not that he missed his sporh by .5 or even 1-1.5 a day. And even after he was given another ride, he still went down even further, after stating that the ride was fair, and the sporh was very fair. Basically he was 2 hours over every day and going even further down. Couple that with his desire to show UPS that they could not do anything about it, you have the scene you have here.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]This drivers comprehension of what the contract says, and his total lack of a clue should keep him away from representing any one else. And the union that took this to arbitration need to get a new job as well.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]d[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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