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<blockquote data-quote="705red" data-source="post: 462087" data-attributes="member: 5229">Danny with your wealth of knowledge and years of experience as a steward, i think that you have forgotten were you came from and how you got there. &nbsp;Exactly how much did you know as a steward 18 months in to the job? I ask because i have been a steward on and off for 13 years. And it was not up to about 5 years ago or so, were i was really taught everything that i know today.&nbsp;At 18 months i could file a grievance, represent an employee in the office on minor cases, but not like i could today with my experience that i now have.&nbsp;Now after union held training classes on grievance 101, arbitration classes, past practice, etc i would know what to expect in an arbitration scenario. I would not for a minute think i am going in with a slam dunk case in to any situation, low level, panel, arbitration. &nbsp;This is because of my present ba and union leadership i have, were we for the most part have been giving the same opportunity to learn that they have. Now this steward could have been great in defending a member in the office, but do we know if he has been to a panel to see how different it is?&nbsp;Has he ever been to an arbitration? Because an arbitration is nothing like a panel, or not even close to a low level in the managers office. &nbsp;Now you could point the blame at the employee all you want, and maybe he was in over his head, but the union dropped the ball on this.&nbsp;So please do not compare an 18 month steward that has 12 years with the company to some one like your self that had put in enough time to retiree and one who has seen everything that ups could throw at someone, 18 months is not enough time to understand and learn. I still learn as a steward on a daily basis! One never stops learning!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="705red, post: 462087, member: 5229"] Danny with your wealth of knowledge and years of experience as a steward, i think that you have forgotten were you came from and how you got there. Exactly how much did you know as a steward 18 months in to the job? I ask because i have been a steward on and off for 13 years. And it was not up to about 5 years ago or so, were i was really taught everything that i know today. At 18 months i could file a grievance, represent an employee in the office on minor cases, but not like i could today with my experience that i now have. Now after union held training classes on grievance 101, arbitration classes, past practice, etc i would know what to expect in an arbitration scenario. I would not for a minute think i am going in with a slam dunk case in to any situation, low level, panel, arbitration. This is because of my present ba and union leadership i have, were we for the most part have been giving the same opportunity to learn that they have. Now this steward could have been great in defending a member in the office, but do we know if he has been to a panel to see how different it is? Has he ever been to an arbitration? Because an arbitration is nothing like a panel, or not even close to a low level in the managers office. Now you could point the blame at the employee all you want, and maybe he was in over his head, but the union dropped the ball on this. So please do not compare an 18 month steward that has 12 years with the company to some one like your self that had put in enough time to retiree and one who has seen everything that ups could throw at someone, 18 months is not enough time to understand and learn. I still learn as a steward on a daily basis! One never stops learning! [/QUOTE]

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