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<blockquote data-quote="705red" data-source="post: 462174" data-attributes="member: 5229">This is my opinion, the driver was stuck hard on his position that he could not be terminated for production, like many on here have believed for so long. Where have we heard this from? Obviously the union has been the spokes man for that.&nbsp;Now the arbitrator had taken all of his discipline in to account when she ruled. The union should never had allowed an insubordination suspension to stick when he was acting as a steward at the time that he received it. If i was ever suspended while acting as a steward and the union did not back me, i would resign as soon as i came back to work!&nbsp;The driver has some blame in this as well, i cant say that i agree with a termination for it. But as a young steward when you ask a question about something that you are not sure off, you tend to believe what you have been told, especially if its from your agent. Unless you have handles a case in the past, this is were the learning from experience comes in at.&nbsp;To comment on his performance is hard, its obvious that we were not there, have no idea what kind of route he has, or if anything through his day as in road construction, parades, etc happened. But i can average 25 to 30 stops an hour in 2 of my residential areas at the end of my route, but if i get the split area it can easily go back down to 15 stops an hour because of long driveways and longer drives in between stops.&nbsp;Bottom line, i believe the union mislead him to his beliefs, i believe they came unprepared and did not defend him properly.&nbsp;Danny you said that maybe the union argued the case the way the grievant wanted to, have you ever seen that happen?&nbsp;I ask this only because its a lot of money for the local to spend knowing they will lose going in. I also have had to argue with grievants about cases that their jobs were on the line, never did i tell them to lie, but i have had to tell them that the point they want to argue would not help them and go at it my way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="705red, post: 462174, member: 5229"] This is my opinion, the driver was stuck hard on his position that he could not be terminated for production, like many on here have believed for so long. Where have we heard this from? Obviously the union has been the spokes man for that. Now the arbitrator had taken all of his discipline in to account when she ruled. The union should never had allowed an insubordination suspension to stick when he was acting as a steward at the time that he received it. If i was ever suspended while acting as a steward and the union did not back me, i would resign as soon as i came back to work! The driver has some blame in this as well, i cant say that i agree with a termination for it. But as a young steward when you ask a question about something that you are not sure off, you tend to believe what you have been told, especially if its from your agent. Unless you have handles a case in the past, this is were the learning from experience comes in at. To comment on his performance is hard, its obvious that we were not there, have no idea what kind of route he has, or if anything through his day as in road construction, parades, etc happened. But i can average 25 to 30 stops an hour in 2 of my residential areas at the end of my route, but if i get the split area it can easily go back down to 15 stops an hour because of long driveways and longer drives in between stops. Bottom line, i believe the union mislead him to his beliefs, i believe they came unprepared and did not defend him properly. Danny you said that maybe the union argued the case the way the grievant wanted to, have you ever seen that happen? I ask this only because its a lot of money for the local to spend knowing they will lose going in. I also have had to argue with grievants about cases that their jobs were on the line, never did i tell them to lie, but i have had to tell them that the point they want to argue would not help them and go at it my way. [/QUOTE]

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