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<blockquote data-quote="tinman" data-source="post: 463373" data-attributes="member: 20399"><p>If you read the arbitration (I did, all 33 pages) you will see that this steward contradicted himself a few times. He states on page 16-17 that he was unaware of any other driver being discharged for production, so why then did he pass around a petition and get 100 signatures to persuade the company to reinstate a terminated (for production) employee? He filed NLRB charges against the company without notifying the union he was doing so. He also stated that he thought a 3 day suspension had been reduced to a warning letter but article 7 was invoked, why invoke an article for a warning letter that would have been a suspension. As a steward, if I have a suspension, a legit suspension reduced to a letter I would accept the letter and reserve the right to grieve it. </p><p>I am in no way supporting the company, trust me. I am also an 804 steward. But, it is real easy to start thinking they can't touch you. There are several things I don't like about the arbitrators report that should be brought up.</p><p>The on car supervisor V******* was at one time a center manager who was demoted for "integrity"issues. He has on occassion been refered to as V**** the prick. How could a proffesional arbitrator put on the top of the report " In the Matter of Arbitration between Local 804, Int'l Brothehood of Teamsters, <strong><em><u>AFL-CIO</u></em></strong> and United Parcel Service. The Teamsters are not part of the AFL-CIO, shouldn't an arbitrator strive for accuracy? J***** testified that in 20 years he never discharged a driver for production, what about the guy the petition was passed around for? He then mentions "in my 24 years", well J*** is it 20 years or 24? The arbitrator stated on page 4 that "overallowed" is the number of hours of overtime over 8 hours, no it's not, it's the time longer than what I.E. feels you should have taken to complete the assignment. You could be 2 hours over but punch out in 9 hours when you factor in allowances for signatures, values, elevators,etc,etc,etc. It's mentioned that the driver had "excessive contact time" with customers, what was he doing during that time? Was he waiting for them to finish up a NDA pickup piece or discussing how bad the JETS were playing this season? One is a problem, the other is good customer service (remember, service is our last name!).</p><p>Ultimatley the whole thing sucks, a union brother lost his job, the survivors now have production standard language in writing to live up to, and right wrong or otherwise, the Local looks like it did not help him (which is NOT the case here). I think this driver wanted to be more of a hero than he was either prepared to be, expected to be, or experienced enough to be. He went to bat for his drivers which is admirable but he didn't communicate with the coaches (B.A's) before stepping up to the plate to see do I swing or take a pitch?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tinman, post: 463373, member: 20399"] If you read the arbitration (I did, all 33 pages) you will see that this steward contradicted himself a few times. He states on page 16-17 that he was unaware of any other driver being discharged for production, so why then did he pass around a petition and get 100 signatures to persuade the company to reinstate a terminated (for production) employee? He filed NLRB charges against the company without notifying the union he was doing so. He also stated that he thought a 3 day suspension had been reduced to a warning letter but article 7 was invoked, why invoke an article for a warning letter that would have been a suspension. As a steward, if I have a suspension, a legit suspension reduced to a letter I would accept the letter and reserve the right to grieve it. I am in no way supporting the company, trust me. I am also an 804 steward. But, it is real easy to start thinking they can't touch you. There are several things I don't like about the arbitrators report that should be brought up. The on car supervisor V******* was at one time a center manager who was demoted for "integrity"issues. He has on occassion been refered to as V**** the prick. How could a proffesional arbitrator put on the top of the report " In the Matter of Arbitration between Local 804, Int'l Brothehood of Teamsters, [B][I][U]AFL-CIO[/U][/I][/B] and United Parcel Service. The Teamsters are not part of the AFL-CIO, shouldn't an arbitrator strive for accuracy? J***** testified that in 20 years he never discharged a driver for production, what about the guy the petition was passed around for? He then mentions "in my 24 years", well J*** is it 20 years or 24? The arbitrator stated on page 4 that "overallowed" is the number of hours of overtime over 8 hours, no it's not, it's the time longer than what I.E. feels you should have taken to complete the assignment. You could be 2 hours over but punch out in 9 hours when you factor in allowances for signatures, values, elevators,etc,etc,etc. It's mentioned that the driver had "excessive contact time" with customers, what was he doing during that time? Was he waiting for them to finish up a NDA pickup piece or discussing how bad the JETS were playing this season? One is a problem, the other is good customer service (remember, service is our last name!). Ultimatley the whole thing sucks, a union brother lost his job, the survivors now have production standard language in writing to live up to, and right wrong or otherwise, the Local looks like it did not help him (which is NOT the case here). I think this driver wanted to be more of a hero than he was either prepared to be, expected to be, or experienced enough to be. He went to bat for his drivers which is admirable but he didn't communicate with the coaches (B.A's) before stepping up to the plate to see do I swing or take a pitch? [/QUOTE]
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