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<blockquote data-quote="paidtoomuch" data-source="post: 112702"><p>Dude, I value both of you. But,... I gotta agree with Billy. He is not saying you are not worth a good wage, he is just saying your wage in out of line for the skill level, and what other like-workers are paid.</p><p></p><p>Every time I drive by a construction site, I see light brown men working harder than big Brown's men. I really don't think they make as much. I know drivers work hard, but you don't work on your cars, or load them, or fill them with oil, etc. You take them out loaded and return them unloaded. </p><p></p><p>Try roofing a house, hauling bricks up ladders, paying for your vehicle and maintenance like FedEx, etc. etc.</p><p></p><p>Think about it, for the effort required, for the education level required, for the skill level required, had you gone anywhere else in your life, you would never have made the same for the same type work. The unions in America do get you the dough, but they cost the buyer and consumer exta, uneeded, expense. As a consumer of any product, I want it cheap. While I have a heart, I really never purchase a service or a product thinking that I hope I pay more so that the union worker get a good wage -- I never think this way.</p><p></p><p>Billy can fix my truck, even if he never worked on it, he can fix it with the proper diagnostic tools. A driver can load my moving van, unload it, and drive it. You will never get me to say that I would pay you anywhere near what I would pay Billy to fix my truck.</p><p></p><p>The reason I value your work is that I have an emotional interest in what you do. I see you go out in the morning, I see you return in the evening. We are all Big Brown. However, if you changed uniforms and reported to another company to do second-by-the-second same work, I would never agree that you should be paid what you get at UPS. I'm not saying I'd give you $10 an hour, I'm just saying you'd never get $27 or so. </p><p></p><p>I do think that the hubrats are underpaid. We don't get good people anymore because of it. I would lower your rate and give more to the hub and center PT rats.</p><p></p><p>Again, all respect is given, but I do think you are paid way too much. If not for the union, you wouldn't get that much.</p><p></p><p>Then again, don't get me started on what center and division managers get for their effort.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paidtoomuch, post: 112702"] Dude, I value both of you. But,... I gotta agree with Billy. He is not saying you are not worth a good wage, he is just saying your wage in out of line for the skill level, and what other like-workers are paid. Every time I drive by a construction site, I see light brown men working harder than big Brown's men. I really don't think they make as much. I know drivers work hard, but you don't work on your cars, or load them, or fill them with oil, etc. You take them out loaded and return them unloaded. Try roofing a house, hauling bricks up ladders, paying for your vehicle and maintenance like FedEx, etc. etc. Think about it, for the effort required, for the education level required, for the skill level required, had you gone anywhere else in your life, you would never have made the same for the same type work. The unions in America do get you the dough, but they cost the buyer and consumer exta, uneeded, expense. As a consumer of any product, I want it cheap. While I have a heart, I really never purchase a service or a product thinking that I hope I pay more so that the union worker get a good wage -- I never think this way. Billy can fix my truck, even if he never worked on it, he can fix it with the proper diagnostic tools. A driver can load my moving van, unload it, and drive it. You will never get me to say that I would pay you anywhere near what I would pay Billy to fix my truck. The reason I value your work is that I have an emotional interest in what you do. I see you go out in the morning, I see you return in the evening. We are all Big Brown. However, if you changed uniforms and reported to another company to do second-by-the-second same work, I would never agree that you should be paid what you get at UPS. I'm not saying I'd give you $10 an hour, I'm just saying you'd never get $27 or so. I do think that the hubrats are underpaid. We don't get good people anymore because of it. I would lower your rate and give more to the hub and center PT rats. Again, all respect is given, but I do think you are paid way too much. If not for the union, you wouldn't get that much. Then again, don't get me started on what center and division managers get for their effort. [/QUOTE]
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